Is it True?

[Nomebear]

Straight men watch gay porn, and that's a fact. And while watching it, they're wondering what they might be missing out on since they are bored with their sex life, or lack there of. It's only human, and yet they'll swear they never think about it. Growing up in the Texas ranch country, if it weren't for horny, curious straight men, I would not have had a sex life.

The key words are: Texas ranch country.
This is my personal experience, with names, dates, preferences, and stories. I could write volumes, and most came after me.

 

[Robert Dole]

Define "far more widely." I'll take my definition from the data of many studies and surveys which are directionally similar to the follow two examples. The National Health Interview Survey (NHIS), which the government uses annually to assess Americans’ health related behaviors, asked about self-identified sexual orientation. Based on responses, the NHIS estimates that 0.7% American adults identify as bisexual. A well-received study reported in Psychology Today combined data from five U.S. population surveys to conclude bisexuals comprise 1.4% of the adult male population.

Sadly, your personal experience neither overrides nor substitutes for the data. I've quoted former U.S Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan before and will quote him here again: "Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts."

Actually, I didn't use the phrase "far more widely", something to consider when you include

"Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts."

as some sort of point of reference... Tu que?

As far as the NHIS goes, the US health system is hardly the an egalitarian model health system and for this reason the results are deeply suspect. Furthermore, a survey conducted by self identification is next to useless where the subject is something that is obscured by layers of shame, moral direction and predjudice, and this is widely known within medical and academic research circles who research such matters.

But yeh, we get it- you like to troll every thread. Seems you need to find something else to do or somewhere else to go, because evidently you don't fit here. Maybe your pastor could assist you?

 

[FrankieGuile]

Actually, I didn't use the phrase "far more widely", something to consider when you include

as some sort of point of reference... Tu que?

As far as the NHIS goes, the US health system is hardly the an egalitarian model health system and for this reason the results are deeply suspect. Furthermore, a survey conducted by self identification is next to useless where the subject is something that is obscured by layers of shame, moral direction and predjudice, and this is widely known within medical and academic research circles who research such matters.

But yeh, we get it- you like to troll every thread. Seems you need to find something else to do or somewhere else to go, because evidently you don't fit here. Maybe your pastor could assist you?

The data is only but two examples in a sea of surveys and studies that directionally say the same thing. If one regards data-based discussion, disagreement with fundamental facts, and a difference of opinion as "trolling," then that person is one step away from shutting down such exchanges in an authoritarian manner. Lastly, I "fit" wherever I please, no matter my offerings do not fit with your desired narrative.

 

[FrankieGuile]

Ok motherfucker, there are times I was talking about my OWN experiences clearly stating those were unique to me and not generalizing, yet you still chose to go overboard and start arguing so...

I don't recall challenging your "own" experiences. In fact, I don't recall responding to any of your offerings here, except your small attempt at censorship, urging others to not engage. Your potty-mouth is only exceeded by your hyper-sensitivity.

 

[Robert Dole]

The data is only but two examples in a sea of surveys and studies that directionally say the same thing. If one regards data-based discussion, disagreement with fundamental facts, and a difference of opinion as "trolling," then that person is one step away from shutting down such exchanges in an authoritarian manner. Lastly, I "fit" wherever I please, no matter my offerings do not fit with your desired narrative.

What you assert here is simply another form of authoritarian dictate- you haven't presented anything in terms of facts or first hand experience and seem to have a poor grasp of the fact that identity based sexuality studies have long been considered flawed, to the point of being worthless. If it is not clear to you, I have rebutted the survey you gave as an example.

 

[FrankieGuile]

What you assert here is simply another form of authoritarian dictate- you haven't presented anything in terms of facts or first hand experience and seem to have a poor grasp of the fact that identity based sexuality studies have long been considered flawed, to the point of being worthless. If it is not clear to you, I have rebutted the survey you gave as an example.

At least, you've returned to a more sober state, rather than profane rant. I think the results of the studies and surveys stack up nicely in favor my contention; as well, casual observation. Others can do their own searches for that data.

My point of concern is that denying the results that homosexuality is in the minority, belies an insecurity of one's sexual preference which undermines the validity of that preference. Rather, one should stand as an individual, regardless of how many feel the same. Doing so would engender more respect for one's choices.

 

[FrankieGuile]

At least, you've returned to a more sober state, rather than profane rant. I think the results of the studies and surveys stack up nicely in favor my contention; as well, casual observation. Others can do their own searches for that data.

My point of concern is that denying the results that homosexuality is in the minority, belies an insecurity of one's sexual preference which undermines the validity of that preference. Rather, one should stand as an individual, regardless of how many feel the same. Doing so would engender more respect for one's choices.

I think I can say that better...

An authoritarian dictate would be imposing complete obedience on others. It is the antithesis of individual freedom and not remotely associated with one's opinion just because it is contrary to yours. So, with that in mind, read on.

I think the results of the studies and surveys stack up nicely in favor my contention; as well, casual observation. Others can do their own searches for that data.

My point of concern is that denying the results that homosexuality is in the minority belies an insecurity of one's sexual preference which undermines the validity of that preference. It is an insecurity that causes one to gather as many adherents as possible, and even by coercion if others disagree. Rather, one should stand as an individual, regardless of how many feel the same. Doing so would engender more respect for one's choices.

 

[JD_002]

I'm gonna go back to ignoring you, you are a waste of time.

 

[Nomebear]

When living in the sticks, and in search of a willing sex partner, scientific studies are little more than piles of bullshit littering the way to getting laid.

 

[FrankieGuile]

I'm gonna go back to ignoring you, you are a waste of time.

That's a good idea for anyone who has nothing intelligent to add to the conversation and only wants to indulge in sexual fantasy.

 

[Robert Dole]

I think I can say that better...

An authoritarian dictate would be imposing complete obedience on others. It is the antithesis of individual freedom and not remotely associated with one's opinion just because it is contrary to yours. So, with that in mind, read on.

I think the results of the studies and surveys stack up nicely in favor my contention; as well, casual observation. Others can do their own searches for that data.

My point of concern is that denying the results that homosexuality is in the minority belies an insecurity of one's sexual preference which undermines the validity of that preference. It is an insecurity that causes one to gather as many adherents as possible, and even by coercion if others disagree. Rather, one should stand as an individual, regardless of how many feel the same. Doing so would engender more respect for one's choices.

Thank you for defining an "authoritarian dictate" for the plebiscite- because seem to think you are the authority on everything you feel the need to comment on despite being clearly unable to critique ideas on a logical basis. Once again- just the sort of thing you seem to excel in, arguing an opinion ad nauseum to force it onto others. Try it in a bar one day, I'm sure someone will be leaving with a busted face.
I'm actually surprised you feel that others are able to interpret their own searches for data themselves without your input.

At no point did I deny homosexuality is a minority or anything of the sort, soberly or otherwise and even more absurd is the suggestion that this might cause one to gather adherents , even by coercion. I see your straw man argument, do you have a point or is it just attention seeking?

I put it to you that you don't actually have anything substantive to back up your opinion and observe (again) that ignorance is it's own reward...

 

[FrankieGuile]

Thank you for defining an "authoritarian dictate" for the plebiscite- because seem to think you are the authority on everything you feel the need to comment on despite being clearly unable to critique ideas on a logical basis. Once again- just the sort of thing you seem to excel in, arguing an opinion ad nauseum to force it onto others. Try it in a bar one day, I'm sure someone will be leaving with a busted face.
I'm actually surprised you feel that others are able to interpret their own searches for data themselves without your input.

At no point did I deny homosexuality is a minority or anything of the sort, soberly or otherwise and even more absurd is the suggestion that this might cause one to gather adherents , even by coercion. I see your straw man argument, do you have a point or is it just attention seeking?

I put it to you that you don't actually have anything substantive to back up your opinion and observe (again) that ignorance is it's own reward...

Glad to be of service, especially because you seemed confused by the meaning of the term "authoritarian" (the "dictate" was something of a redundancy on your part). I'll risk the physically violent outbursts at the bar of people like you who have nothing but threats to defend an indefensible position. I can handle myself. Everything needed to back up my position can be found on the Internet. As I've said, and as you know, it is a very easy search. I can understand it is a search you might be reluctant to pursue because it runs counter to your desired outcome, but that's your business.

 

[Nomebear]

Thanks for your comment. Just to be clear---I never said or implied that "every man is secretly homosexual." I do not think that. I do think that once a man engages in MM sex....that once he feels and tastes another man's cock that he will want to experience it again......Peace

That's been my experience as well. Also, there may be marriages and children, but the expressions of love with a favorite buddy remains. It's funny how some wives know, and will encourage the friendship.

 

[Mister2101]

bump

 

[merc41]

I've tried it and like it! Much prefer a women or pre op trans ( the best of both ). Men are more enthusiastic, open minded and to better. They certainly suck better.and.fuck. Much.more vocal. I'm not obsessed with it but do enjoy it greatly. And I won't turn it down. Just introduced to rimming and being.jacked off simultaneously wow what a orgasum. Couldn't control my self. Thats the best "O" in awhile. Love being sucked soft to hard for the .second and third rounds.

 

[Mister2101]

I've tried it and like it! Much prefer a women or pre op trans ( the best of both ). Men are more enthusiastic, open minded and to better. They certainly suck better.and.fuck. Much.more vocal. I'm not obsessed with it but do enjoy it greatly. And I won't turn it down. Just introduced to rimming and being.jacked off simultaneously wow what a orgasum. Couldn't control my self. Thats the best "O" in awhile. Love being sucked soft to hard for the .second and third rounds.

Thanks for you thoughts!

 

[Robert Dole]

...he said to me that once I had felt and tasted another man's cock in my mouth and inside my ass, that I would be "hooked." I think he was right!! Thoughts?

I wonder if this is a far more common occurrence- my mentor made a similar comment to me about rimming- that I'd be hooked and begging for more (I was and did).
A recent discussion with a group of mates indicates that 5 of the 7 guys were told something similar, that they would be hooked or wouldn't think of anything else. The guy who was told he wouldn't think of anything else remarked on how prophetic the words were- he didn't think much about it at the time, but time proved the truth of the remark and he hasn't been with a woman since.

 

[Mister2101]

I wonder if this is a far more common occurrence- my mentor made a similar comment to me about rimming- that I'd be hooked and begging for more (I was and did).
A recent discussion with a group of mates indicates that 5 of the 7 guys were told something similar, that they would be hooked or wouldn't think of anything else. The guy who was told he wouldn't think of anything else remarked on how prophetic the words were- he didn't think much about it at the time, but time proved the truth of the remark and he hasn't been with a woman since.

absolutely------this is how it has been for me..........all I really think about is dick.......sucking cock.....and feeling cock deep inside my ass.....

 

[bravesoldier]

I am of the belief that most (all?) men are bi-curious. They have thought about sex with a man, and are a little bit turned on by the thought. do you agree with that?

Do you believe that once a man tries sex with another man--sucked a cock; anal penetration; made love---that there's a good chance that their curiosity will grow stronger, and they will seek more bi/gay experiences?

Before my 1st sexual encounter with another man (which was super hot, erotic, and pleasurable); he said to me that once I had felt and tasted another man's cock in my mouth and inside my ass, that I would be "hooked." I think he was right!! Thoughts?

I think you are right. Some say no, that most men are 100% straight, but in all respect I beg to differ. In the world we live in I believe it is the norm to at least be somewhat curious, especially in puberty even if one never goes down a bi-gay path. When a male or female first becomes of sexual knowledge and hormones begin to take over, I believe what is referred to as auto-eroticism can occur. You become erotic with yourself, rather you may be aroused and turned on by your own body which I believe can create same sex curiosity, desire and possible interaction.

I do believe when a man (or woman) tries sex with the same sex and likes it, that curiosity can definitely grow stronger and most likely will. It's just like straight sex, once you start you won't stop. You're a sexual being and satisfying such is a primal urge. If anyone ever tells you they just can't understand bi or gay sexual interest, tell them to consider the overwhelming urgency of THEIR sexual desires. Then tell them the bi-gay desire is equally as strong and no easier to resist than their desire. It's not because the desire is bisexual or homosexual, it is because it is SEXUAL, just like theirs. If they're smart, they should come to understand any sexual desire that primal and strong is rarely denied. Bi, gay or straight.

 

[Mister2101]

I think you are right. Some say no, that most men are 100% straight, but in all respect I beg to differ. In the world we live in I believe it is the norm to at least be somewhat curious, especially in puberty even if one never goes down a bi-gay path. When a male or female first becomes of sexual knowledge and hormones begin to take over, I believe what is referred to as auto-eroticism can occur. You become erotic with yourself, rather you may be aroused and turned on by your own body which I believe can create same sex curiosity, desire and possible interaction.

I do believe when a man (or woman) tries sex with the same sex and likes it, that curiosity can definitely grow stronger and most likely will. It's just like straight sex, once you start you won't stop. You're a sexual being and satisfying such is a primal urge. If anyone ever tells you they just can't understand bi or gay sexual interest, tell them to consider the overwhelming urgency of THEIR sexual desires. Then tell them the bi-gay desire is equally as strong and no easier to resist than their desire. It's not because the desire is bisexual or homosexual, it is because it is SEXUAL, just like theirs. If they're smart, they should come to understand any sexual desire that primal and strong is rarely denied. Bi, gay or straight.

Well said my friend. I agree with your thoughts on the subject......thx for sharing!