One Step at a time.... Psychic style?

I've seen 2. And they were both respectable ones and pretty much spot on AND had the same/similar things to say on key subjects.

The first was in NY, in March, and the 2nd was here in July.

I think to be led by them, would be wrong.
But to be open minded about opportunities that come along would be appropriate.

But I have found both experiences reassuring in view of the changes that are going on in my life right now and am less afraid of what the future might hold.

Both experiences helped me clarify certain things in my mind which I was very well aware of but unable to understand.

I feel better off for the experience and more confident in myself to take care of my future.

So overall, positive experience here.

Out of interest, what made you go to see one?
Have you seen one before?

I hadn't been to one before, other than a drunken card reading one night in February when I'd got lost in NYC. I was looking for answers (besides looking for the subway at the time) but realised quickly that I was being taken for a ride so legged it pretty quick. Decided to go and do the thing properly so went to a renowned clairvoyant who charged the earth!
Well worth it though.

I had gone to a psychic because some friends were into it. Nothing she said worked out. What was scary was that this woman would channel spirits. What this one spirit told me that would happen in the future came true. I wanted to go back to college, but I needed a windfall to help get me started. My Dad closed on a sale and he helped me out. The spirit/psychic told me the money would be there. It actually happened within the time frame she gave too. So who really knows?

Don't get hung-up on it. None of what she said is fated to happen. You can change what will happen in the future by being aware of it and deciding to do things differently. You'll know the times the psychic was speaking (providing she's accurate) of because you'll remember them instantly.

It's rare that cards do not speak obliquely. Her interpretation may be right or not. I suggest just filing it away in the back of your mind and just consider it when deciding what to do in the future.

And remember my friends......

What a good psychic will do is to read your inner thoughts, hopes and dreams and reflect them to you.
In my experience a good psychic is a guide to your own inner self which you always can trust.

Jeff - do yourself a favour. Look up "Jungian symbolism".

This woman is not a psychic - or at least I am 99% certain she has no special gift of sight. She listened carefully to your answers and watched how you reacted to the cards and interpreted your words and reactions like a good psychologist.

I'm not calling her a charlatan. It is entirely possible that what she said is very relevant to you and your situation and could be extremely helpful to you. But there is nothing paranormal going on - don't feel fated.

You already know what I think.

Everything is, by definition, fated.

Of any person, of any choice, only one outcome is actually possible.
Beings can only take one path through life, whether it's predetermined or random, whether it's known or unknown.
Some choices were determined a billion years ago, some were determined a millisecond ago - regardless, a choice will always be made and therefore only one of two or more options will ever be realised.

Knowing the future or thinking you know the future is, ironically, totally irrelevant. Chaos and destiny are not mutually exclusive.


Don't worry about it.

Oh N_S - that is a load of fluffed up bollocks. Most of the time you pull it off - and I even understand what you are getting at. Nothing is fated - nothing is decided until the decision is made. There are a multitude of outcomes possible, but only one is ever realised. Will I pick up this coffee cup in front of me and take a sip or not? Both are equally possible - but only one will be realised. That doesn't mean the option I didn't take was never possible. It was as possible, as likely, until I made the other choice. I agree only one can happen - but that is not the same as saying only one is possible.

Knowing the future, or thinking you know it (more importantly, actually), is completely relevant as it goes a long way towards determining what options we will choose. Take Jeff for example. This woman has told him that teaching may not be his "true career" - now, with that in mind, if another opportunity comes up do you not think he might give it more consideration than he otherwise would have, had he never spoken with her?

I agree with the not worrying about it bit though

(I probably shouldn't respond to such subjects when I've been burning the candle at both ends all night, but here goes anyway.)

I'd agree that any conscious thought process doesn't occur until whatever pivotal moment it may be, but still maintain than any/every decision is predetermined.

Forgive me, I forget the story, but think of the man who can foresee people's death on contact.
When they find out they try and take steps to prevent that happening because of their new foresight, but their knowing ends up being what causes that death. The decision isn't their attempts to prevent, but take it back to the decision of the freak to tell them, the decision of his parents to fuck, the decision of their parents, etc.

It may seem pedantic to trace that far back, but it is important. The 'tree diagram' of causality extends infinitely backwards just as much as it does forwards. The kicker is, that in actual fact it's a linear path, front and back.

Consider abusive parents, whose children grow up to be abusive, whose grandchildren grow up to be abusive. Each child's decision to be abusive is neither the decision of the parents to abuse, nor the decision of the child not to break the trend. It was all decided aeons ago due to one atom hitting another.


Actual choice is merely the realisation of a decision which has to be made, because it's already been foretold by the chain reaction of events prior to it.

If JB's opting not to visit a psychic didn't happen, then it isn't/wasn't possible. The consequences of any given action occur both ahead and behind that action.

I still think you are talking shit, man - sorry.

I would say that every decision is determined - certainly. Just not predetermined. There is a huge difference. Events can be the sum of preceding (and subsequent) events / actions, sure. But it is a hugely complex interaction the possible outcome of which is in constant flux until the point where it actually happens.

The idea that my future interactions with a child are determined by one atom hitting another aeons ago is also, frankly, out the other side of preposterous and into lala-land. I understand the chain of events argument - and yes, I can see that all aspects of future and past events are interconnected - but that is not the same as the first link in the chain determining the form of the latest. I just don't see how you extrapolated the causality - the link, yes - but not the causality.

My earlier action of picking up the coffee cup or not was inconsequential to anything before or after it. How does that fit in your chain of events theory?

The other thing your argument assumes is that time is linear. It isn't. It is relative.

And finally, when you take your theory to its logical conclusion everything in the entire universe is interconnected somehow and therefore every single thing that has ever happened and will ever happen was, according to your argument, predetermined from the moment of big bang onwards. Bollocks - to use the technical counterargument

Predetermination is the fallback argument of those too weak or frightened to take responsibility for their own circumstances and future (and past). The idea that everything unfolds to a 'masterplan' (whether of intelligent creation or something put into place by expanding matter aeons ago is immaterial), that we are puppets in a show the ending of which is already written, is a cop out. My life is not happening to me - I'm the creator. I own it - bad and good... and mediocre. I'm not afraid of that.

Few things:

1) Thank you for the responses.

2) I'd agree with you Manly, about her reading my reactions, but I also studied psychology and I was a bit of a magic fiend when I was a kid.... as a result, I know when and how to react without giving any emotion. I was very careful.

3) I love the discusssion. Personally, I think things are pre-determined to some extent...it's hard to explain. :)