07-25-2008
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| | | Politically Correct - Gay bashing responses at work Anybody have any quick replies to co-workers that constantly take gay bashing antics to the line...but never cross, to get themselves in trouble?
I constantly hear "You know what the bible says"
"The bible says a man and a woman. Its black and white...no sheep, no dogs... no pigs and man."
"Little fags dancing around the queer bar"
etc etc are all comments I hear at work.
The problem is, pinning one comment on one person since he stays within the lines, just vague enough not to get himself in trouble.
How should a person reply to such a demon at work, and yet stay within the lines of corporate america? | | | |
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07-25-2008
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| | | Just casually make the comment that straight people are totally at fault and are directly responsible for homosexuals and that you can prove it.
After your "pause for effect" just tell them that they're the ones that keep having gay babies!! And then just casually walk away smiling.
Well, it's true!!  | | | |
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07-25-2008
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| | | Depends where you live and what protections the law offers you. This may constitute harassment. First find out if your company or municipality or state (assuming you're in the US) has any non-discrimination laws for homosexuals. You may want to check with a lawyer (don't tell your employer you've done that) or a local/regional GLBT assistance organization. Check your employee handbook to see what the policy on harassment is. If there isn't one, talk to your HR department stating everything hypothetically. If you have no protections either via law or corporate policy, then the most you can do is ask them politely not to say those things. If there are protections then still ask them politely not to say those things. If they stop, great. If they do not, then go to HR and file a complaint. If HR does nothing, call a lawyer -- but only if there are legal protections, not just corporate. A good HR department will deal with this quickly. Just be aware of how this may effect the relationships with other employees.
I suggest that if you can stand it and the comments are merely annoying, then ignore it because your managers seem to be tolerating it and if these people are fired because of your complaint, you could find yourself being prevented from advancement or even outright fired at a later time for some reason (such as giving you too many responsibilities you can't perform, contrary directions, or some other thing created specifically to get you fired without giving you a reason to sue). If you're about to quit your job over it or feel that they're damaging your performance at work, then go for it. Just be extremely careful.
Good luck! | | | |
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07-25-2008
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| | | Don't act like that. If they are quoting the Bible, you should quote something back. When asked if He had a commandment, Christ said "this is My commandment. That you love one another." or maybe "If any man hates his brother, the love of the Father is not in him."
They have the right to their point of view. They have the right to express their opinion. They don't have the right to abuse someone else. Politically correct is nothing more than suppression of freedom of speech. | | | |
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07-25-2008
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| | | How about this...
"i'm, rubber and you're glue..."
Here's the thing... YOU DON'T HAVE A RIGHT TO LIVE UNOFFENDED.
OTHER people HAVE the right to disapprove of your lifestyle... and, in a free society, to express that disapproval.
So I would say toughen the fuck up.
Go ahead and express YOUR disapproval of their narrow mindedness...
But trying to intimidate people into not saying what they think and feel thru threats to their livilihood....
That is fascism.
The Idea that there are words and phrases that BELONG to certain groups... and that other groups "can't" use them without suffering consequences....
That's racist. And it doesn't result in "tolerance" nor "understanding"... it results in anger and resentment.
How about this... everybody ask Santa for the same present this year... a sense of humor.
Don't take yourself so seriously...
Let other people be... just as stupid as they are... and enjoy the freedom to publicly ridicule their idiocy in return.
You want people to GROW... to change? intimidation over their employment won't accomplish that.
People only change their views when their views become an embarrassment to them.
Litigation drives prejudice underground. Where it grows wild.
Fear of being laughed at is what makes folks give their prejudices up. | | | |
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07-25-2008
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Originally Posted by Phil Ayesho How about this...
OTHER people HAVE the right to disapprove of your lifestyle... and, in a free society, to express that disapproval.
So I would say toughen the fuck up.
Go ahead and express YOUR disapproval of their narrow mindedness...
But trying to intimidate people into not saying what they think and feel thru threats to their livilihood....
That is fascism. | As callous as it may sound. I have to agree. | | | |
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07-25-2008
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| | | I would tell them they truly out gayed them selves that time. | | | |
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07-25-2008
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| | | Quote:
Originally Posted by Phil Ayesho Here's the thing... YOU DON'T HAVE A RIGHT TO LIVE UNOFFENDED.
OTHER people HAVE the right to disapprove of your lifestyle... and, in a free society, to express that disapproval.
Let other people be... just as stupid as they are... and enjoy the freedom to publicly ridicule their idiocy in return. | I have a right to WORK a job unoffended. Outside of work is a whole different story.
Work, is work. Religion, politics, and racial tensions don't belong there. Hence the title of this thread "Politically correct".
You can't express your full disapproval at work without being careful of how you phrase your words due to dismissal.
Sneaky fucks like this WAIT for that to happen. They Bait.
My point of this thread is how to squash the office antics in a politically correct way.
Outside of work, I'd simply beat the living fuck out of him, and then make him walk home. | | | |
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07-25-2008
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| | | There is no freedom of speech in the workplace save for very specific circumstances. Sexual harassment is not one of them. On your own time, damn right. Say what you want. If you're on the clock though, all that ends: Quote: |
On one level, a private sector employer could take the absence of a direct First Amendment right as providing free rein to discipline, terminate or retaliate against employees for their speech in the workplace. Before doing so, however, the private sector employer should take into account the effect of the anti-discrimination laws such as Title VII, RCW 40.60 (the Washington Laws Against Discrimination or “WLAD”) and various local laws. These laws provide a level of protection for certain types of expression in the workplace, and thus should be considered even if the right of speech associated with these laws is not a “First Amendment” right per se. For example, punishing an employee because of his religion is not technically a First Amendment violation in the private sector, but it would be a violation of the anti-discrimination laws. Conversely, the anti-discrimination laws prohibit certain types of expression on the part of employers, such as comments that constitute sexual or racial harassment, thereby putting a limit on “free speech” in the workplace. -Findlaw | | | | |
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07-25-2008
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| | | You have the right to not be mistreated but you do not have the right to tell them they can't express their religious beliefs. Policies are usually set by employers but they have to be done within the confines of the constitution and federal laws. School systems, and employers have been getting in big trouble in the federal courts. Some peeps have taken it upon themselves to tell Christians they can't read their Bible or pray during their breaks or lunch time. They have been sued and are losing big time. | | | |
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07-25-2008
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| | | I had this same problem at my work and it came from people in management as well as the owner. I always felt it would be a big mistake to draw attention to myself by speaking out. I have however found out second hand that many people didn't stand for it and spoke out when I was not present. On several occasions I have gotten in someones face and said something to the effect that I'd rather be gay then a big fucking asshole like you. | | | |
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07-25-2008
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Originally Posted by Deno I have however found out second hand that many people didn't stand for it and spoke out when I was not present. . | Did they tell you the context of what was spoken?
It's exactly the point of the thread and what im after. | | | |
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07-25-2008
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Originally Posted by Rikter8 I constantly hear "You know what the bible says"
"The bible says a man and a woman. Its black and white...no sheep, no dogs... no pigs and man."
"Little fags dancing around the queer bar"
etc etc are all comments I hear at work.
How should a person reply to such a demon at work, and yet stay within the lines of corporate america? | Quote that open letter to Dr. Laura that went around a few years ago. The bible also says you can sell you daughter into slavery, How much are you going to sell her for?
Little fags dancing around the queer bar. Wow you've been to a gay bar?! Something you ain't telling me?
Everyone has the right to a harassment free workplace. The Supreme Court has even decided that straight males CAN sexually harass other straight males. The case involved workers on offshore oil platforms. A one time comment can be said to be just a stupid comment. The thing about harassment is that there is a pattern. The same person always making or doing the same actions. | | | |
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07-25-2008
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| | | [quote=x704;1630970]Quote that open letter to Dr. Laura that went around a few years ago. The bible also says you can sell you daughter into slavery, How much are you going to sell her for?
You should study up on what it says before you slam it. For instance, did you know it says every seventh year is the year of Jubilee? All debts of jews to other jews were to be forgiven, and all jews sold into slavery were to be set free. | | | |
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07-25-2008
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Originally Posted by hootie You have the right to not be mistreated but you do not have the right to tell them they can't express their religious beliefs. Policies are usually set by employers but they have to be done within the confines of the constitution and federal laws. School systems, and employers have been getting in big trouble in the federal courts. Some peeps have taken it upon themselves to tell Christians they can't read their Bible or pray during their breaks or lunch time. They have been sued and are losing big time. | Yes you do have the right to tell them they can't express their religious beliefs. They are free to pray quietly in a non-disruptive manner, and they can read their scriptures if it is permitted to bring personal effects into the workplace and the scriptures do not otherwise constitute harassment. What they have no protection for is expressing their religious beliefs on the clock if it is not part of the job. They are not free to harass other workers and hide behind their religious beliefs think they're protected because they are not.
Once again, in many states and municipalities, gays have no protection against that kind of discrimination. This is why legal counsel will best answer your question.
This is why I suggest talking to a lawyer. | | | |
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