LPSG.ORG

July is National Minority Mental Health Month

Originally Posted by njqt466 I think I love you more today than yesterday; and I didn't think that was possible. The most dangerous attitude is the ignorant fucking punks who think "It's not a problem

is part of a discussion in the Et Cetera, Et Cetera forum that includes topics on Off-topic postings, current events, rants and raves....


Go Back   LPSG.ORG > Et Cetera, Et Cetera

 
LinkBack Thread Tools
Old 07-11-2008   #16 (permalink)
marleyisalegend is offline

Quote:
Originally Posted by njqt466 View Post
I think I love you more today than yesterday; and I didn't think that was possible.
The most dangerous attitude is the ignorant fucking punks who think "It's not a problem to me so it's not worthy of mention."

Perhaps we can send them to another planet where they can lounge by the pool reading Teen Beat while us down here in the REAL world deal with REAL problems.
 
Old 07-11-2008   #17 (permalink)
Deno is offline

this proves the phrase."two sides to every story" for every problem person a faces, person B faces his own. The fact that there not the same problem does not make either invalid.
 
Old 07-11-2008   #18 (permalink)
Nick4444 is offline

sorry -- the entire proposition is untenable

if a member of a "minority group" has a mental illness, it will bear the same etiology as the mental illness case of a non-minority

which also means it will be treatable in terms of the same strategies

I know, because as a teenager considering the possibility of structuring my education with the goal of getting the degrees requisite to earning the degrees that would enable me to practice psychiatry, I joined a non-profit group attempted to address the mental health "needs and concerns" of the unterklassen.

so as a teen, I entered their realm and became familiar with their situation

so, I can say, with good grounds, that to construct "special" needs for groups is untenable

the entire mindset finds its genesis in the misinformed libertardology that grounded President Johnson's Great Society programs (and we can see how well those worked out -- programs to eliminate poverty, and now a far greater percentage of the US population is now poor; -- programs to make higher education available to certain specified groups, and what was once the world's greatest educational system is now a mess)

the axioms of that libertardology in turn then became the grounds on which the current PCtardology reposes

one simply has to couch something in terms of a "minority need or special situation", and a whole panoply of rights and entitlements (and corresponding expenditures) are automatically invoked and justified
 
Old 07-11-2008   #19 (permalink)
marleyisalegend is offline

Quote:
Originally Posted by Nick4444 View Post
sorry -- the entire proposition is untenable
Big word for someone who doesn't understand the concept of "minority" and the problems that come with it.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Nick4444 View Post
if a member of a "minority group" has a mental illness, it will bear the same etiology as the mental illness case of a non-minority
Brick! Again, you obviously don't realize how different life can be just because you're poor or brown.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Nick4444 View Post
the axioms of that libertardology in turn then became the grounds on which the current PCtardology reposes
Your big words don't mask your ignorance of how different it can be, being a minority. What you said makes sense ONLY ONLY ONLY in a world where everyone has the same opportunities. What you said WOULD make sense if everyone were treated equally. Since neither is the case, what you said is impractical.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Nick4444 View Post
one simply has to couch something in terms of a "minority need or special situation", and a whole panoply of rights and entitlements (and corresponding expenditures) are automatically invoked and justified
You're saying things, but not really saying anything. I have a hard time believing that if George Bush or Bill Gates passed out in a hospital, they'd be ignored for over an hour. Seeing an abundance of technical knowledge, it's a shame that you won't inject any humanity (especially since you're studying psychology) into your assessments. Your posts have a tone of someone walking into a homeless shelter and shouting "Why don't you all just get a job!"

Again, a month of recognition isn't much to ask for considering the hell they have to live with the other 335 days a year. You're being completely insensitive to a very real problem that you HAVE to know exists because you're not stupid. It'll be a cold day in hell before you respond saying "minorities always have all the same opportunities as the majority." For whatever reason, you're stubborn in your insistence that being a minority doesn't come with certain baggage.
 
Old 07-11-2008   #20 (permalink)
Lee_M is offline

And this is why these threads are fucked, any time race and minorities are bought up it turns into a shit fight. And im sorry to say guys but, if you dont want to hear the opinion from someone of a white majority then dont make the thread.
 
Old 07-11-2008   #21 (permalink)
Nick4444 is offline

actually, I think it's helping me better understand ... there is obviously a range of experiences different from my own, just listening to opinions 180 degrees from my own helps me try to reconstruct the experiential basis of the viewpoint that is different from my own ... that's one of the reasons I so strenuously object to political correctness -- it forecloses any meaningful discussion
 
Old 07-11-2008   #22 (permalink)
marleyisalegend is offline

Quote:
Originally Posted by Nick4444 View Post
actually, I think it's helping me better understand ... there is obviously a range of experiences different from my own, just listening to opinions 180 degrees from my own helps me try to reconstruct the experiential basis of the viewpoint different that is different my own ... that's one of the reasons I so strenuously object to political correctness -- it forecloses any meaningful discussion
This isn't a case of political correctness whatsoever, people throw that term around too much. We live in a world where we HAVE to make slogans and commercials and (insert problem) awareness months because most people never step outside their own experiences. More and more, individualism is being praised and sense of community is undermine.

The audacity of your post was that you were "sick of hearing about this." It was a disgusting sentiment made worse by the fact that you felt it was necessary to post it. You spoke about the mentally ill as if they were criminals, not patients. It was entirely ignorant especially coming from someone studying psychology.

Since minorities make up a disproportionate amount of the lower class, that's two fairly heavy strikes against them. Once you add a mental disease to that mix, the results can be disastrous. I think some people feel like attention placed on minorities suggests favoritism. Nope. It's realism.

I'll refrain from implying that there were undertones of bigotry in your initial post, but you clearly have some sort of issue here, maybe it was just a bad day. I'd never imagine an educated person saying that they're "sick of hearing" about a group that faces adversities. The more you study psychology (depending on the branch) the more you'll connect that dots and understand why this recognition is necessary.

Brown skin+mental disease+poverty=a large mountain to climb.
 
Old 07-11-2008   #23 (permalink)
njqt466 is offline

Quote:
Originally Posted by Lee_M View Post
And this is why these threads are fucked, any time race and minorities are bought up it turns into a shit fight. And im sorry to say guys but, if you dont want to hear the opinion from someone of a white majority then dont make the thread.
Excuse you! :: We had words a while back in chat because you were stirring up crap and trolling just to annoy people. Since you obviously have nothing of worth or importance to add, I strongly suggest you get the hell out of my thread.

In conclusion I would just like to say, "."
 
Old 07-11-2008   #24 (permalink)
Nick4444 is offline

one of the most difficult problems I'm having here is the fact that if a member of a minority group, politically defined, is having a mental health issue, it is an issue that arose, medically, as it would have for a non-minority

if the mental health condition is the issue, it is a medical problem borne by an individual

I don't see how it can logically be politicized, or be cured by a political strategy

I do see how politicizing it, turns it into something else -- possibly a political base for Al Sharpton?

Quote:
Originally Posted by marleyisalegend View Post
This isn't a case of political correctness whatsoever, people throw that term around too much. We live in a world where we HAVE to make slogans and commercials and (insert problem) awareness months because most people never step outside their own experiences. More and more, individualism is being praised and sense of community is undermine.

The audacity of your post was that you were "sick of hearing about this." It was a disgusting sentiment made worse by the fact that you felt it was necessary to post it. You spoke about the mentally ill as if they were criminals, not patients. It was entirely ignorant especially coming from someone studying psychology.

Since minorities make up a disproportionate amount of the lower class, that's two fairly heavy strikes against them. Once you add a mental disease to that mix, the results can be disastrous. I think some people feel like attention placed on minorities suggests favoritism. Nope. It's realism.

I'll refrain from implying that there were undertones of bigotry in your initial post, but you clearly have some sort of issue here, maybe it was just a bad day. I'd never imagine an educated person saying that they're "sick of hearing" about a group that faces adversities. The more you study psychology (depending on the branch) the more you'll connect that dots and understand why this recognition is necessary.

Brown skin+mental disease+poverty=a large mountain to climb.
 
Old 07-11-2008   #25 (permalink)
marleyisalegend is offline

Quote:
Originally Posted by Nick4444 View Post
one of the most difficult problems I'm having here is the fact that if a member of a minority group, politically defined, is having a mental health issue, it is an issue that arose, medically, as it would have for a non-minority

if the mental health condition is the issue, it is a medical problem borne by an individual

I don't see how it can logically be politicized, or be cured by a political strategy

I do see how politicizing it, turns it into something else -- possibly a political base for Al Sharpton?
The disease is the same, but that's about where the similarities end. Heart disease for example. This is dangerous for anyone of any size, but when you couple that with obesity you're on a whole new plane of complication. Mental illness sucks, but if you're a minority and mentally ill, you're double-fucked because minorities are NOT equal in many respects.

You're looking at individuals (the part I made red). This month wasn't started because one black person had dementia, it's because that the COMBINATION of being a minority AND mentally ill is a deadly one. The reasoning behind this month is entirely valid. Lots of people think "racism is over, blacks are equal now" and "immigrants can attain citizenship so they're equal now." The numbers tell a different story. It's not that our problems are more important, it's that they're affecting us in large enough amounts that it's worthy of distinction.

Don't let douchebags like Al Sharpton make you think that racism and "classism" are trivial concepts. They're very real, and they have very real repercussions. Do you think that minorities have all the same opportunities and resources that non-minorities do? In some cases, yes, in MANY other cases, no. If you disagree with what I'm saying I'll be glad to dig up a few links but this isn't rocket science. Equality is still a dream, not a reality because the concept of equality is all-encompassing. It leaves no room for exceptions or "we're almost there" or "things are getting better."
 
Old 07-11-2008   #26 (permalink)
mista geechee is offline

There are theories of US healthcare being touched by the long arm of institutionalized healthcare............
 
Old 07-11-2008   #27 (permalink)
Nick4444 is offline

Quote:
Originally Posted by mista geechee View Post
There are theories of US healthcare being touched by the long arm of institutionalized healthcare............
 
Old 07-11-2008   #28 (permalink)
Lee_M is offline

Quote:
Originally Posted by njqt466 View Post
Excuse you! :: We had words a while back in chat because you were stirring up crap and trolling just to annoy people. Since you obviously have nothing of worth or importance to add, I strongly suggest you get the hell out of my thread.

In conclusion I would just like to say, "."
And a perfect example of why nobody is posting in your thread. Somebody says something you don't like or agree with and you get abusive.

And ive never been in chat so..?
 
Old 07-11-2008   #29 (permalink)
marleyisalegend is offline

Quote:
Originally Posted by Lee_M View Post
And a perfect example of why nobody is posting in your thread. Somebody says something you don't like or agree with and you get abusive.

And ive never been in chat so..?
Nobody?? It's on the second page. Your post was irrelevant and included little thought or logic. Posting for the sake of posting is stupid.
 
Old 07-11-2008   #30 (permalink)
Lee_M is offline

Ok.. I admit defeat, i didnt realize that this thread was only limited to certain minorities so since i am white and don't have a mental illness i guess i don't a say


My bad
 

Thread Tools



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 12:53 PM.

Latest Threads
Last night
6 Minutes Ago by cockamania
new guy
6 Minutes Ago by hotcock10
Hey im new here...
13 Minutes Ago by trojanm
hey
34 Minutes Ago by pianoboi2006

Latest Posts

Latest Blogs


Copyright 1999-2008 LPSG.ORG

SEO by vBSEO 3.2.0 RC7