define masculine

not gay and very aggresive

- I don't like sports
- I work out
- I HATE camping
- I do like comfort, I'm totally urban
- I like exotic drinks, not beer
- I like madonna, have been known to sing a pet shop boys song here and there
- I don't enjoy vulgar language

- I like cars (but won't go to a race, unless I can drive)
- I like women


Am I masculine? A lot of people say no, some (specially some I've been in bed with) say yes.

Who cares... as long as you're attracted, go for it. If you're not, then let go... you owe nothing to the other person, except maybe honesty and respect.

Please define "too gay".......for me that's a troubling phrase

ok, this is the wikipedia's definition of masculine: Masculine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
BUT to me I think what YOU'RE searching is the meaning of MASCULINITY: Masculinity - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

and in IT, apparentely, THIS is the LIST on how to be MASCULINE:

1. Physical — virile, athletic, strong, brave. Unconcerned about appearance and aging;
2. Functional — breadwinner, provider for family as much as mate
3. Sexual — sexually aggressive, experienced. Single status acceptable; (do not mind to walk around naked, especially around other guys)
4. Emotional — unemotional, stoic, the proverb says boys don't cry;
5. Intellectual — logical, intellectual, rational, objective, practical,
6. Interpersonal — leader, dominating; disciplinarian; independent, free, individualistic; demanding;
7. Other Personal Characteristics — success-oriented, ambitious, aggressive, proud, egotistical; moral, trustworthy; decisive, competitive, uninhibited, adventurous.

JUST love these clichés! :D

I like this thread...it is very esoteric topic and gets the gray matter pumpin'.

IMHO the definition of 'masculine' and 'feminine' traits are defined by culture, generation, media, religion and upbringing. Someone had a good blog about Latin male culture a few days ago and they are right on. The social norms for masculinity in Latin and Southern European cultures vs. say, East Asian cultures, is like comparing apples and tennis shoes. Everyone, regardless of gender, race, sexual orientation or family system possesses both traits. So I think its somewhat moot to pigeon hole "masculine" into a grocery list of traits and behaviors. Men are capable of sympathy and being nurturers....women are capable of being violent and aggressive.

The terms masculine and feminine are only whatever masculine and feminine are defined to be. I'm buying into post structural theory here, but I believe that we gender ourselves in each interaction and event we perform. Thus our gender is fluid and depends on the context of our interactions. The way that we gender ourselves is primarily through discourse.

Although our culture institutionalises gender 'norms' we do not have to accept these norms on any kind of individual level. Also Australian culture here agrees on a masculine norm that is not relevant and very different to the American masculine norm and again different to the English norm. (I picked all English speaking countries to point out that norms even in culturally similar places differ hugely).

And how we as individuals interpret and act these gender norms is fluid too. AND it differs both within and between individuals in different contexts.

Aren't you skirting the issue. You are referring to traits that are completely gender-neutral. Can't any woman / mother exhibit those traits?

Here's an interesting thing about this. When I was young (19, just coming out) and I was still figuring out what my likes were, I had a fascination with really "masculine" guys. This was around 1980-1981, so remember the gay macho stereotype back then? Anyhow, I still had not had sex more than once or twice and was still desperate to try it. I was visiting Boston and I got to know this guy who liked to dress in drag sometimes, and was very much a "fem." He wanted to make out with me, and I did, mostly because I just wanted the experience. However, he was kind, tender . . . Anyhow, we had an experience one evening while walking down the street to get ice cream (in the freezing Boston winter, I might add!) He had this pretty luxurious fur coat on. Not looking like drag, though. A truck drove by and two guys were inside, they rolled down the window and shouted "fags!" at us. I was mortified, as I was still getting used to the idea of being gay. Mortified, horrified, terrified all at once because who knew what they were going to do. My friend simply turned to the truck and waved at them like a girl and said, "Hiiiiiiii!!!"

I remember afterwards thinking about this, and thinking what a REAL man he was inside. How many macho guys would be that brave? I've known other fem guys over the years who I would not say were as brave as he was. He was simply being himself in a world that just might do violence to him for that. And I have learned over the years that I am very sexually attracted to guys like that as long as they are really being themself. I don't like it at all if it's a "stage act." But a guy who is true to himself, even if that means being what we would call fem, to me has a lot of integrity and that means masculinity to me, and I can get very turned on by it.

I think that every man is masculine in their own way. Every man is different.

You have to find out what is masculine and/or manly for yourself. IF you aren't into a guy, it doesn't mean that they aren't masculine. They aren't your type.

Sorry but I think that counts out every man in the world!! Everyone wants to look their best, because lets face it, you look good, you get laid. (Or have a much greater chance of getting laid...)
But if you discount that one from the list, I think its pretty accurate.