These people should be ashamed of themselves (Racist and Homophobia)

Ya know, no matter what you say I know all gays don't feel the way you do. You're a bad representation of gay people. Really bad representaion!

Sadly, while I might disagree with their views and mission, I do believe in their right to freedom of speech. Of course, that freedom does not and should not extend to them imposing their vision of society on the rest of us (or even me, for that matter). Anyone who makes a living off of putting others down has some problems. Period.

Very well said.

Lex, I believe in freedom of speech too but there are limits. If I yell "FIRE" in a movie theature I will be arrested. If I threaten someone I will (can) be arrested but he hasn't done any of these things. But to have an immoral belief is the worse to me. The spreading of hatred isn't acceptable in America. Did anybody see that racist guy that was on Dr. Phil who said the boy had the right to hang the noose anywhere he wanted? It was saddening to me. No, the guy shouldn't have been beaten but all involved parties were wrong.

But you can't pick and choose with freedom of speech.

It's all or nothing, I'm afraid.

I agree

My oldest brother who I never speak to and haven't for many years joined a skinhead gang in the 70's because he thought it was cool and he was an angry person, so he carried around a shalaly so he could brain what he called 'Paki's' and he did, he also brained a cop and was in deep shit for a long time, now he's a nervous, frustrated coward of a man who can't face up to life in general. I torment him from time to time and call him on everything and anything just to keep him on edge (pay backs a bitch, but I'm a bigger one). I sincerely hope that the skins in the U.S. are not active as they were in the past and only a weak symbol of the 'purity' that they think that they stand for. They need to be wiped out and shown no mercy as far as I'm concerned and my brother can go to the head of that line.

True, but if I thought Gays and lesbians should be hanged on a noose I wouldn't say so unless I was asked. The government wouldn't be stopping me but rather if you didn't ask I wouldn't tell.

Honestly, I've always thought gays and African Americans should stick together because quite frankly what happens to one affects all minorites and if Gays can be discriminated as to where they can't marry because of their sexual orientation it set a precident that there are ways around laws pertaining to minorities

You just KNEW this was going to get reactions, didn't ya?
I don't give a damn if a particular group of people decide to hate me because of my skin tone. I can't tell them not to be. However, I can do the more responsible thing by leaving them to wallow in their own ignorance and I go on about my business. I'd expect people who don't like me to go on about their lives and not involve them with mine.

The problem arises when these misguided people try to force their views down a person's throat, and try to take away a person's basic human rights because of stupid things like the color of their skin, sexual preference, religion, etc. That's where I draw the line and I'll always be vocal about that. Highly racist (and even homophobic) people seem to think that everyone who is different from them wants what they have. Honestly... what DO they have that they think we want so badly? What do they have that we either don't already have, or can essentially get by dealing with more open minded people? If anything, they need to drop the paranoia and get over it.

Maybe I do sound like a "moralistic goody-goody" to you. But you don't see me complaining about the power the "white man" has over the rest of the world, now do you?

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Visualalert, I think you'll fit in better at this forum:
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There was a time when this was much truer than it is today. But, unfortunately, some of the greatest, most virulent homophobes hide either behind their churches or their Hip-Hop macho bravura. If there is any consensus among African Americans, it's that they loathe the gay/black association of discrimination.

Sad, but true, sweetheart.

Rommette -- Like Manly and Bbucko said, we can't pick and choose freedom of speech and, as you mention, there are limits. Those limits are clearly established as being crossed when someone's freedom of speech infringes upon the rights of others.

As much as I loathe racism, sexism, ageism, and homophobia (among others), I do not believe in limiting people's rights to think as they will, teach their children as they will, and/or congregate peaceably with like-minded individuals. Unless they are attempting to legislate their bigotry or legalize it, it does not infringe upon the rest of us to such a degree where censorship is warranted or constitutional.

All we can hope is that, over time, the people who think in bigoted ways become an ever shrinking minority.

And none of us are more attuned to this than African Americans who are also gay. There is nothing quite like being a loathed minority within a loathed minority. Trust me.

Could be true where u are but in Baltimore (atleast where I live) we are united. Gay men dress like women and even went to my high school dressed like women and they would get compliments on their shirt or hairstlye and even a teacher or two was openly gay. Gay people are more embraced by women and tend to hang around women so maybe what you're saying is true being that most hate crimes against gays are done by men (but lets not forget men of all races comit these crimes). All races of non-gay men have those "i'll kill you faggot" people. In the heart of downtown Baltimore we have a gay club and plenty of gay bars. I haven't heard of any hate crimes happening at those places

I don't feel so united when I go to the Hippo or Grand Central or most other gay bars in Balmer not named Leon's and the other Black gay men look at me and my partner with venom (presumably because he is a white bear). This has been my same experience in any bar with a large black crowd in any city I have been in.

I love all people and I have a very diverse group of friends. I do get tired of the venom from my own communities, however. It's tiresome and counter-productive.

I wouldn't know about those places but club Bunns is one that would be higly recomended by my friends. Don't know if you've been there.