06-09-2008
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Originally Posted by faceking  The "peacenik" Hybrid driving libs will ALWAYS shoot down nuclear energy. Yet X percentage of our power plants are driven by coal and , *gulp* gasoline. | Are you saying that we have electricity generating powerplants fueled by gasoline? | | | |
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06-09-2008
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Originally Posted by faceking The "peacenik" Hybrid driving libs will ALWAYS shoot down nuclear energy. Yet X percentage of our power plants are driven by coal and , *gulp* gasoline. | Quote:
Originally Posted by x704 Are you saying that we have electricity generating powerplants fueled by gasoline? | Electricity generation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
In addition to coal, diesel and natural gas are other fossil fuels used to fuel the generation of electricity.
There are home generators that can run on gasoline. What are Home Generators? | | | |
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06-09-2008
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Speaking of St. Lucie County, it looks like a proposed wind-turbine array is being opposed there ... Turbine opponents in St. Lucie County meet fundraising goal : St. Lucie County : TCPalmST. LUCIE COUNTY — Opponents of Florida Power & Light Co.’s plan to put wind turbines on Hutchinson Island have exceeded their goal in raising enough money for a legal defense fund.
The Save St. Lucie Alliance started the fund last week with the goal of raising $10,000 by Friday in order to hire a land-use attorney who could represent them in opposing the six wind machines planned for FPL property at the St. Lucie Nuclear Plant. The group has an account set up through the Yahoo! groups Web site to raise funds and pass on news.
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06-10-2008
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Originally Posted by x704 Are you saying that we have electricity generating powerplants fueled by gasoline? | Quote:
Originally Posted by faceking | You do know that gasoline and natural gas aren't the same thing right? And I am not talking about home powered generators. Utility scale generators, in the multimegawatt region, fueled by gasoline are nonexistant in the USA. | | | |
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06-10-2008
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Originally Posted by poim789 This is actually a critical, critical issue. A few good links are The Oil Drum | Discussions about Energy and Our Future for daily information about oil and energy generally. If you haven't heard about Peak Oil, you should read The Oil Drum | Peak Oil Overview - March 2008 (Pdf and Powerpoint available) to learn about this very important subject. The website OilPoster.org has a large image of a poster about oil that has a lot of very useful data and information. I have the poster on the wall behind me. Oil production has been flat or increasing only glacially for nearly 3 years now.
Tonight I was hanging out with a couple of friends and we went to meet some more at a bar. When we settled down into our chairs next to the people already there they informed us they had been talking about oil (and by extension gasoline) prices. At this I thought, "Oh dear" because I didn't know these people well at all and as you can see from my profile I list oil as one of my interests. The people I spoke with are successful, educated Manhattanites and they knew nothing. In fact, what they said was the opposite of the truth and dangerous. The main guy arguing with me had never heard of Peak Oil and all his numbers were wrong. And he claimed to also be a student of oil.
2 weeks ago I decided I was going to build a website myself to provide people with a way to learn about energy and truly be informed because so many sites out there are hard to understand if you don't know a lot already. They are either for people who already have a large base of knowledge or they completely skips over an explanation of energy and fossil fuels so that people don't understand why energy is important, how we produce it or how we use it.
Anyone who wants more info can shoot me a PM. | Good post! I've had similar conversations with people who cannot quite grasp that, once what is available has been exhausted, there is no more fossil fuel. Actually had an argument with someone Saturday who thought it was a perfect idea to take any measure necessary to extract the last drop of fossil fuel from the earth and make it available to the U.S. 
I realize everyone is suffering, but too many have those kind of thoughts (our govt. isn't enlightening them either) and are unaware that most of our energy sources are, to a degree, finite.
Therefore the most logical proposal is a real change of habit on every level (personal to industrial), conservation, and rationing, included with the introduction of new technology. However, most can't stomach the idea of moderating their use of energy for the greater good, they just want a holy grail solution, and that doesn't exist. | | | |
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06-10-2008
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Originally Posted by StapledShut Just because no one has agreed to anything yet doesn't mean that you two aren't already talking numbers with no evidence of where the money is coming from or how your generator works. And yes, I am confident that it's a fact, because the answer to the energy crisis isn't going to come from one person. Your idea may be one of many starting points, but bringing it to fruition and full functionality is going to take a crew of researchers. Researchers who, I guarantee, will not all be found on this site if you want reputability throughout. | You are being pretty narrow-minded to say the least! A) The answer too many crises throughout history have come from one person, and B) Dont even pretend to be clairvoyant regarding the background and/or expertise of others you know anything about. | | | |
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06-10-2008
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Originally Posted by SteveHd Speaking of St. Lucie County, it looks like a proposed wind-turbine array is being opposed there ... Turbine opponents in St. Lucie County meet fundraising goal : St. Lucie County : TCPalmST. LUCIE COUNTY — Opponents of Florida Power & Light Co.’s plan to put wind turbines on Hutchinson Island have exceeded their goal in raising enough money for a legal defense fund.
The Save St. Lucie Alliance started the fund last week with the goal of raising $10,000 by Friday in order to hire a land-use attorney who could represent them in opposing the six wind machines planned for FPL property at the St. Lucie Nuclear Plant. The group has an account set up through the Yahoo! groups Web site to raise funds and pass on news.
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Absurd??? | Absurd? Yes. But having lived in St Lucie County and having visited it regularly over the years, I'm not surprised in the least. It has to be the most backward, narrow-minded county in the state. Which would what? Put it in the top-ten in the nation?
That's hilarious actually. They have two nuke powered electric plants, sited on a narrow strip of land between the ocean and the Intercoastal Waterway, about three feet above sea level and they are worried about six wind turbines. LOL | | | |
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06-10-2008
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Originally Posted by StapledShut Just because no one has agreed to anything yet doesn't mean that you two aren't already talking numbers with no evidence of where the money is coming from or how your generator works. And yes, I am confident that it's a fact, because the answer to the energy crisis isn't going to come from one person. Your idea may be one of many starting points, but bringing it to fruition and full functionality is going to take a crew of researchers. Researchers who, I guarantee, will not all be found on this site if you want reputability throughout. | Even if we are talking numbers, (which we're not) please explain to the rest of us just WHAT concern is it of yours, and exactly what proof do you have that we are?? You seem to have convinced yourself that we are. Show us the proof.
Evidence of where the money comes from?? Isn't that MY concern and not yours??
And since I don't have a patent YET, WHY would I tell anyone just how my generator works? Especially on here. Are you hoping that I will so you can steal it out from under me?
Only left wing liberal losers that are hopelessly dependent on the system wait for the "government" and the "researchers" to come up with an answer. I'm not one of those people. Although it's quite obvious by the wording of your post that you have proven yourself to be one of those people.
Leonardo Da Vinci made some of the greatest inventions known. He also made his drawings of them purposefully misleading in such a way that if you're not advanced enough to handle them, you will never figure out how to actually read the drawings and know how to put them together correctly to make them work. He was one man and he did solve many, many problems that were important in his day.
I am actively trying to do something about it. What are you doing about it? | | | |
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06-10-2008
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My friend got scammed and lost some decent money on a *electricity generator* scam. I smell a rat.
Solar water heaters used to be very expensive, about $14000 for a small house. May be cheaper now.
Wind energy is a IMO a boondoggle. Go by Tehachapi, Altamount, Palm Springs to see just how useless it is. Usually they damn things aren't even turning and they are huge eyesores. You need consistent wind and most areas do not have that.
Nuclear and coal are the future. Along with shale oil, as mentioned above.
And if oil is such a big money maker just buy stock in ExxonMobil or Royal Dutch Shell. | | | |
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06-10-2008
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Originally Posted by Wyldgusechaz My friend got scammed and lost some decent money on a *electricity generator* scam. I smell a rat.
Solar water heaters used to be very expensive, about $14000 for a small house. May be cheaper now.
Wind energy is a IMO a boondoggle. Go by Tehachapi, Altamount, Palm Springs to see just how useless it is. Usually they damn things aren't even turning and they are huge eyesores. You need consistent wind and most areas do not have that.
Nuclear and coal are the future. Along with shale oil, as mentioned above.
And if oil is such a big money maker just buy stock in ExxonMobil or Royal Dutch Shell. | You know absolutely zero about wind power so why even comment on it? Wind is one of the hottest segments in energy worldwide right now for a reason and it aint just because people are installing them for ornaments. | | | |
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06-10-2008
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Take away the tax credit and see if wind can stand on its own. Certainly is oil gets pricey enough it can change but right now it isn't cost effective from what I have read w/o tax breaks. | | | |
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06-10-2008
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Originally Posted by Wyldgusechaz My friend got scammed and lost some decent money on a *electricity generator* scam. I smell a rat.
Solar water heaters used to be very expensive, about $14000 for a small house. May be cheaper now.
Wind energy is a IMO a boondoggle. Go by Tehachapi, Altamount, Palm Springs to see just how useless it is. Usually they damn things aren't even turning and they are huge eyesores. You need consistent wind and most areas do not have that.
Nuclear and coal are the future. Along with shale oil, as mentioned above.
And if oil is such a big money maker just buy stock in ExxonMobil or Royal Dutch Shell. | The solar water heater for my house cost $650.00. You can buy bigger, fancier ones for up to $2000.00. There is nothing hi-tech about them. If anyone ever paid 14,000 dollars for a water heater they'd be an idiot.
My dad made one in seventies with two coils of copper tubing, a sheet of plywood, some black paint, a sheet of glass, and a little pump. The damn thing still works. | | | |
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