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Old 06-08-2008   #16 (permalink)
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Well solar energy is still too expensive for most people to afford at the moment, however the price is expected to decrease by 40% in the next 2 years, so it is probably going to really take off pretty soon. It's definately a good thing to invest in, market wise. Wind energy is still relatively expensive also because there are very few competitors and producers of the blades for the turbines. It will probably catch on more as time goes by as well, once authorities are made aware of their actual potential
 
Old 06-08-2008   #17 (permalink)
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What's the problem? When we've sucked the earth dry we're all packing our louis vitton bags & moving to MARS! Haven't ya heard? Bring it on...!
 
Old 06-08-2008   #18 (permalink)
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I don't consider my generator to be revolutionary at all. Just extremely simple and easily adaptable to most anything including hybrid or all-electric cars, houses, even trains. And it only requires something that everyone has tons of. No fossil fuels. I really just want to be the sole owner of the patent, but if I do decide to let someone back me, they would get reimbursed their investment plus 1% of what this thing will bring in. A million dollars spending cash won't be needed.

What kind of business are you in that can offer protection like that? Hope your protection is far superior than whatever the government or big oil can throw at us. Can we get Chuck Norris to be my bodyguard??

When can you see this? The only way anyone gets to see these little beasts is if you sign a non-disclosure. I built 3 of these in 1989 and ran them for 7 years. 2 have been dismantled and studied for wear. At the moment, my last old design generator is wearing out and I'm in the process of redesigning it but am having trouble finding the right software to help me and I'm still looking around for superior and more efficient parts to let me retain it's current small size while being far more efficient. Let me get the new design built first.
I’m not asking for ownership in the patent, I only want a return on my investment and if this works as claimed 1/10 of 1% will make me very-happy since this must be worth a minimum of hundreds of billions on the world market but I will go so far as too speculate this one easily into the trillions within just a few years.

A practical energy source that’s easily adaptable to vehicles and stationary platforms that runs on something we have plenty of = The jet is ready, I have a team of top-notch mechanical & electrical engineers, patent lawyers, venture capital specialists and accountants at the ready to depart as soon as tomorrow morning and nobody will have a problem signing a non-disclosure agreement. We can have this process moving and moving quickly as soon as tomorrow afternoon pending our findings reflect a viable product and ironclad protections for you both financially and personally that even the harshest critic will find sufficient will be in place before we leave. LMK, we can be in Texas within 3 hours depending on the day, maybe a little longer
 
Old 06-08-2008   #19 (permalink)
Phil Ayesho is offline

The solution to the energy crisis is moving to HYDROGEN as our only combustible.


The problem with energy is that carbon rich materials are being burnt to make electricity... and drive pistons.

Ferget Biofuels... they still have carbon.... Hydrogen is the only thing that we can burn that is completely clean... and infinitely renewable.. ( you burn hydrogen...you get water... you split water, you get the hydrogen back )

One big flaw in current electricity generation is that it takes hours to bring generators online and offline...
And you CAN NOT generate more electricity than you are using... its got to GO somewhere. ( ever notice how the wind farms always have most of their windmills shut down? that's because they can't "store" excess power they generate) This makes electric power plants highly inefficient... IF we could run them at full generation capacity full time... we would be getting much more power per pound of fuel.

Power plants have huge massive flywheels that they can use to "store" some excess electrical output... bleeding that power back off the flywheels as demand peaks.... but they can only store so much in a flywheel.

The Hydrogen Solution would be to use Clean sources for generating the maximum amount of electricity all the time.... Geothermal, Solar, Tidal, Hydroelectric... and using the excess production to split water into liquid hydrogen and oxygen.


And here's the beauty part... 30% of all electricity generated is LOST due to conductive resistance in those huge transmission lines that distribute electricity all over the grid.
30%!

Liquid hydrogen is a superconductor.... You build pipelines to distribute LH to inland areas where they do not have clean sources of electricity generation...
Those same pipes become superconductors for transmission of electricity thru the grid.
Right there you just increased energy production by 30%...

When the local areas have peak demand for more power, they BURN THE HYDROGEN.
- clean power, on tap.

Cars can be electric Hydrogen hybrids... cause once you are pumping hydrogen all over the place... you have the infrastructure to support Hydrogen cars.


Now... we can not meet ALL energy needs thru totally clean sources...
So we need to start, TOMORROW, building nuclear power plants...

Despite irrational public fears of radiation.... Nuclear is the safest power generation method in the world.
And it does NOT produce very much waste.... in the 5o years that nuclear power plants have been operating in the US .... ALL of their hazardous radioactive waste has been stored ON SITE... in indoor pools.

Further... the key thing to remember is that all this radioactive stuff was dug out of the ground... sure we went to great expense to purify it....but it is really easy to De-purify something and simply re-bury it...

So there you have it...
This solution has the benefit of being a FINAL solution... not a temporary stopgap that we have to replace later on...

It puts citizens TO WORK building the infrastructure that will be needed- which will stimulate the economy... and the last public works project of such magnitude... the interstate highway system.... tripled the GNP.

And by ending our need for middle east oil... we solve the entire issue of middle east politics.... they can go back to date farming.

As nuclear fusion is developed, you simply replace fission reactors with fusion generation facilities...


Of all the energy plans I have seen... this one is the only one that will pay back its investment by being permanent.

Spread the word.
 
Old 06-08-2008   #20 (permalink)
StapledShut is offline

I love how these guys are tossing business deals back and forth on here without any exchange as to reputability or resources. Please, the revolution isn't going to happen here.
 
Old 06-08-2008   #21 (permalink)
dreamer20 is offline

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The solution to the energy crisis is moving to HYDROGEN as our only combustible.

Cars can be electric Hydrogen hybrids... cause once you are pumping hydrogen all over the place... you have the infrastructure to support Hydrogen cars...
Oh boy!

I'd want mine to fly like chitty chitty bang bang!
 
Old 06-08-2008   #22 (permalink)
HazelGod is offline

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and using the excess production to split water into liquid hydrogen and oxygen.


Liquid hydrogen is a superconductor.... You build pipelines to distribute LH to inland areas where they do not have clean sources of electricity generation...
Those same pipes become superconductors for transmission of electricity thru the grid.
Right there you just increased energy production by 30%...

I like your line of thinking, Phil, but there are serious technical considerations that you're glossing over.

First, the process of electrolysis yields gaseous hydrogen and oxygen, not liquid.

In order to render H2 into a liquid form, it must be compressed to a high pressure and cooled to a temperature just a few Kelvins above absolute zero. Both of these processes are enormously energy intensive to perform, and to create "pipelines" for moving the stuff around is nigh impossible using modern material and process technologies. And running a high-voltage transmission current through it?

I'm as much in favor of kicking off the petrochemical shackles as the next tree-hugger, but we need to approach these concerns realistically.
 
Old 06-08-2008   #23 (permalink)
1BiGG1 is offline

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I love how these guys are tossing business deals back and forth on here without any exchange as to reputability or resources. Please, the revolution isn't going to happen here.
Throughout history there have been many just like you saying the same thing about millions of products while the revolutionaries behind them were heading to the bank.
 
Old 06-09-2008   #24 (permalink)
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I love how these guys are tossing business deals back and forth on here without any exchange as to reputability or resources. Please, the revolution isn't going to happen here.
WHAT business deals? No one here has agreed to anything yet. And I still have to build the darn thing first. They won't let you have a patent for a product that doesn't physically exist yet. Besides, I'd really rather not go with the first design if I can keep from it as I'm making the new design a little more efficient and powerful.


The revolution isn't going to happen here?? You know this for a fact, huh? Seems I remember people of long ago saying the Earth was flat, planes would never get off the ground, the automobile would never replace the horse...........................
 
Old 06-09-2008   #25 (permalink)
Dragonfly20 is offline
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Two words.
Cold Fusion.
More funding and more reserch needs to be done.
 
Old 06-09-2008   #26 (permalink)
Phil Ayesho is offline

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I like your line of thinking, Phil, but there are serious technical considerations that you're glossing over.

First, the process of electrolysis yields gaseous hydrogen and oxygen, not liquid.

In order to render H2 into a liquid form, it must be compressed to a high pressure and cooled to a temperature just a few Kelvins above absolute zero. Both of these processes are enormously energy intensive to perform, and to create "pipelines" for moving the stuff around is nigh impossible using modern material and process technologies. And running a high-voltage transmission current through it?

I'm as much in favor of kicking off the petrochemical shackles as the next tree-hugger, but we need to approach these concerns realistically.
All of these technologies already exist and are well understood.

Yes it will take energy to liquify Hydrogen..... so what? The amount of energy required is approximately the same as the energy put into refining and transporting oil. ( oil doesn't just come out of the ground... it has to be drilled for, pumped out, shipped, cracked, refined, reformulated, and distributed...
All of that is an enormous cost...

As to super-conducting... the liquid hydrogen would turn the PIPE into a superconductor.
A short super-conducting pipeline has actually already been built and tested and it works.
 
Old 06-09-2008   #27 (permalink)
StapledShut is offline

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Originally Posted by EagleCowboy View Post
WHAT business deals? No one here has agreed to anything yet. And I still have to build the darn thing first. They won't let you have a patent for a product that doesn't physically exist yet. Besides, I'd really rather not go with the first design if I can keep from it as I'm making the new design a little more efficient and powerful.


The revolution isn't going to happen here?? You know this for a fact, huh? Seems I remember people of long ago saying the Earth was flat, planes would never get off the ground, the automobile would never replace the horse...........................
Just because no one has agreed to anything yet doesn't mean that you two aren't already talking numbers with no evidence of where the money is coming from or how your generator works. And yes, I am confident that it's a fact, because the answer to the energy crisis isn't going to come from one person. Your idea may be one of many starting points, but bringing it to fruition and full functionality is going to take a crew of researchers. Researchers who, I guarantee, will not all be found on this site if you want reputability throughout.
 
Old 06-09-2008   #28 (permalink)
LambHair McNeil is offline

There are no magic bullets to solve our energy needs. Do major problems ever get solved with one, simple, one-size-fits-all solution?

1. Remove all drilling restrictions within US borders and along the OCS. It's illogical to get on your high horse about pristine wilderness when you're going around begging or threatening to sue other nations for not destroying theirs - proving pols of both stripes are just paying lip service to "the cause" here.

2. Remove all restrictions for oil shale development in this nation. We hold upwards of 2 trillion bbls of oil equivalent locked in shale deposits in this nation. It's a strength, not a weakness.

3. We are the Saudi Arabia of coal. Yes, it is a dirty fuel in its pure form. However, there is research into making it much cleaner (CO2 sequestration) that could bear fruit and ratchet down its harmful characteristics.

4. Floor the price of oil in this country so as to make alternative research profitable no matter the fluctuations in the market price of oil. Grant tax credits so that profitable ventures end up being rewarded but we minimize the throwing of money at boondoggles. Remove the subsidy for and tarrif supporting domestic corn-based ethanol and allow importation of ethanol from other sources (sugarcane - Brazil). Wind and solar do hold great potential, but in the here-and-now, that's all it is - potential. Give it time and room to develop.

5. Nuclear. Lower regulatory threshholds into this industry and allow us to follow in the footsteps of France. As has been said, if we got the same % of our electricity from nuclear power as did they, then the amount of CO2 removed from our atmosphere would exceed the "gold standard" of the Kyoto Treaty by 15%.

6. Mandate that your federal government, dems and repubs, apply all laws equally. Example: Dirty Secret: Green Cars Automakers Won't Sell You - MSN Autos .

7. Throw out CAFE regulations and instead also floor gasoline at a given level. Look at how we ignored rising costs of gas at $2 per gallon...$3...$3.50...but when it hit $4, changes began occurring. GM announced the shuttering of 4 truck plants last week, consumers are driving up the demand for Ford Focus, Honda Civic, Toyota Corolla, etc., and demand for SUV's is plummeting. Why implement standards forcing people to buy vehicles they don't want (CAFE regulations) when the price paid for the product that fuels them achieves the same goal much more directly - and quickly?

Like with any issue, I suggest first trying to arrest the decline, then work on improvement, and commit to the steps that result in total recovery. It will take a lot of time, as nothing good ever happens overnight. And there are always technological marvels awaiting us all that could come onto the scene and advance the time line even more. But taking a comprehensive approach ensures that if that didn't happen, then you've taken the steps to CYA.
 
Old 06-09-2008   #29 (permalink)
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Solar energy is not efficient enough

LETS GO NUCLEAR FUSION

NUCLEAR. Period, end of story.
 
Old 06-09-2008   #30 (permalink)
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5. Nuclear. Lower regulatory threshholds into this industry and allow us to follow in the footsteps of France. As has been said, if we got the same % of our electricity from nuclear power as did they, then the amount of CO2 removed from our atmosphere would exceed the "gold standard" of the Kyoto Treaty by 15%.
The "peacenik" Hybrid driving libs will ALWAYS shoot down nuclear energy. Yet X percentage of our power plants are driven by coal and , *gulp* gasoline.
 

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