05-29-2008
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#16 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by Shelby I'll play devil's advocate here and say maybe the teacher did the kid a favor by giving him a taste of what it's going to be like in the real world.
Oh, but that's just mean isn't it? | To a 5 year old? Nah, at least wait til maybe he's... 6 and a half...  | | | |
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05-29-2008
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Originally Posted by lucky8 There's also a large gap between 5 years old and 15 years old... | Exactly..so what point are you trying to make by comparing this story to ignoring molestation? | | | |
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05-29-2008
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Originally Posted by Shelby I'll play devil's advocate here and say maybe the teacher did the kid a favor by giving him a taste of what it's going to be like in the real world.
Oh, but that's just mean isn't it? | Hmmm. Still sounds pretty abusive to me. Mean spirited, yes, but not really required. Reality therapy should be for people who are quite a bit older. | | | |
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05-29-2008
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Originally Posted by luklakls Do people not realize this is KINDERGARTEN. kids do not hold "grudges" at 5 years old.
Voting him out of the class is nothing that will damage him for the rest of his life.It's basically time out.
If anything he will forget about it an be playing with the kids later on.
Little kids get in fights and throw toys an crack skulls an the neck day theyre friends again. | Yes they do. 5 years old is a good age to imprint something on your soul and memory that you will never forget. Believe me, I know. Kids will hold grudges at the age of five because their parents will tell them too.
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05-29-2008
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| | | No one has said the teacher told these kids to hate the other student. | | | |
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05-29-2008
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| | | That shit makes me sad... and then it makes me FURIOUS! The teacher was no doubt a conservative who believes in the power of natural selection... too bad there are no lions around to eat the unwanted!!!!! | | | |
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05-29-2008
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Originally Posted by luklakls No one has said the teacher told these kids to hate the other student. | I'd guess you're not empathic enough to consider a kid who is different and has pains from being suddenly, by vote, to be excluded, deemed different and looked down upon. | | | |
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05-29-2008
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Originally Posted by luklakls Exactly..so what point are you trying to make by comparing this story to ignoring molestation? |
You were suggesting that any 5 year old will forget about any traumatic experience, i was merely suggesting that you are wrong. Ostircizing a child who is being thrown into a completely new social environment, one of which that is a completely new concept to the child, such as a 5 year old entering kindergarten, will probably be more damaging to the 5 year old than doing the same to someone who is 15 years old, and has already had a good amount of time to adjust to the extremes of socializing and the school environment. | | | |
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05-29-2008
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#24 (permalink)
| | | Luklakis just seems dense and might not understand what's involved. | | | |
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05-29-2008
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| | | How is this even traumatic. Are you picture a room that looks like a forest where the lights are dimmed. The accuse child sits in chains on one side of the room and all his classmates slowly point to the door signaling him to leave?
If he is having so many behavior problems he should have been put in a class to cater to his needs.
It would not be the teachers fault,but rather the schools administration for not having him evaluated earlier. | | | |
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05-29-2008
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| | | Yes, he should have been placed in a different class, but the way the teacher went out of her way to humiliate him is what is the issue. She could have easily waited until the end of class, gone to the administration, and notified whomever needed to be notified about the child's behavior, but she chose to take a cheap shot at the kid. I don't really care that much about it though, it's the teacher's problem, not mine. | | | |
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05-29-2008
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| | | I find it amusing that when some people venture a poor judgement, they attempt to bolster their admissions with conjecture and a "what if..." kind of projection to avoid looking at the initial incidents.
Hoo! Hah! | | | |
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05-29-2008
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#28 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by luklakls How is this even traumatic. Are you picture a room that looks like a forest where the lights are dimmed. The accuse child sits in chains on one side of the room and all his classmates slowly point to the door signaling him to leave?
If he is having so many behavior problems he should have been put in a class to cater to his needs.
It would not be the teachers fault,but rather the schools administration for not having him evaluated earlier. | There is undoubtedly a chain of events leading up to this, the teachers actions being but the last - but that's unlikely to be detailed in such a piece. Regardless of those omissions, your argument is fundamentally flawed because it fails to address the root grievance at hand; that a teacher evidently conducted a 'vote' among a child's classmates to exclude said child when she was not empowered to do so. Teachers are within their rights to exclude disruptive children for a number of reasons, they do so on their own or the school's authority, they don't conduct an opinion poll among their pupils to achieve that end.
Your arguments made here entirely and repeatedly seem to miss or avoid this key fact. It was wrong morally and quite probably wrong legally too. All other considerations are all but moot. | | | |
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05-29-2008
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| | | To me, a great deal of my feelings would come down to what knowledge the teacher had of the student prior to the incident? Was this teacher aware at the time of her conscious choice to go this route that the student was under medical evaluation? A child with repeated behavioral problems is a child where parent-teacher conferences should be done on a regular basis. What is reprehensible to me is that the teacher in question involved other students in her attempt to discipline this child, good or bad this is what she was attempting to do. In the classroom, the teacher is the final authority in all cases. Not only was her decision wrong with regards to the problem she had with this one student, she involved other students by giving them decision making power regarding the behavior of this child. What this teacher did by not removing the problem from the classroom to a higher authority was to demonstrate her own incompetence and a great example of a "mob-mentality" to her kids. I have a member through marriage in my own family that dropped out of High School because of an inability to function in a normal manner. The testing started when she had just turned 17 years old, and she is now headed for her 19th Birthday with only very minimal answers. The testing is as has been said elsewhere over and over and over again with different doctors and to get definitive answers it takes a long time and can cost a fortune. A great deal of damage was done in a classroom in Florida, and there were far more victims than just one. | | | |
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05-29-2008
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#30 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by FuzzyKen What is reprehensible to me is that the teacher in question involved other students in her attempt to discipline this child, good or bad this is what she was attempting to do. In the classroom, the teacher is the final authority in all cases. Not only was her decision wrong with regards to the problem she had with this one student, she involved other students by giving them decision making power regarding the behavior of this child. | That's the key issue here for me too, and most everything else flows from there. This wasn't a vote to name a teddy bear. | | | |
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