REAL change of HEART and MIND

boynextdoorkpt · 05-20-2008

This may seem silly to some, but I have put so much effort and money into the Clinton campaign and I really do admire her so much that it is almost painful for me to see her not get the nomination. There are some hurt feelings in the democratic party, we have not been kind with each other. This issue has almost split the Democratic Party, and its time now to reconcile and remember who we are running against. I think Hillary and Bill will always be respected and admired and useful in the Democratic party. I just know that deep down, that Obama has NEVER seen dirty politics yet until he faces the entire right wing Repulican party. They are going to be almost unbelievable this summer and fall. Get ready for alot of rhetoric.

New End · 05-20-2008

It happens every election cycle. You should have seen how pissed off the Deaniacs were. Hillary got velvet gloves compared to the sleazy trick Terry McAuliffe pulled on Dean, using stealth 527 groups,

which after the primaries, when they are required to be reported, were fond to have been funded by the like of Gephardt, Edwards and Kerry.

jacknapier · 05-20-2008

McCain is going to be a damn good president.

boynextdoorkpt · 05-21-2008

McCain will never be president.

jacknapier · 05-21-2008

Yes he will.

jacknapier · 05-21-2008

so there

boynextdoorkpt · 05-21-2008

Do you think the American people want the war to last a 100 years? Do you think the American people want the Bush policies? Please, change is truly in the air, the Democrats have it this year my friend, thank God.

jacknapier · 05-21-2008

lol sure pal

most Hillary supporters don't have the kind of pro-Obama pressure and rhetoric smashed into them by giant-dicked men that you do

They will vote McCain or abstain from voting just as you initially planned to

WOOOO Democrats!

boynextdoorkpt · 05-21-2008

I am a strong Hillary supporter, and I know that democrats will come together and vote for obama.

jacknapier · 05-21-2008

I am a barely, meagerly McCain supporter, and I know that democrats will remain divided and get another Republican in office.

Of course, saying you know something doesn't make it true. For anyone.

boynextdoorkpt · 05-21-2008

well i certainly hope not, i know this sounds lame and naive, but I wish for once we could all come together as americans.
I hate hearing and I use it too, separated as groups, like blue collar, college educated, white, black, gay, straight, men, women...
its very tiring.

jacknapier · 05-21-2008

Yep. But... that's politics. If we come together, it won't be over a presidential race.

b.c. · 05-21-2008

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Originally Posted by HyperHulk

I understand your initial opposition to Obama, because I shared the same reservations about his level of experience. I too was a huge Clinton supporter and I believe that she would have made a great President...Obama however has, throughout his campaign, demonstrated more leadership and management skills and character than I would have ever imagined possible. Clinton has, unfortunately, done the opposite. I am shocked at the numerous mis-steps that have plagued her campaign, the majority of which come from herself and her own team. Her adoption of Rovian campaign tactics designed to breed fear and distrust amongst Americans in order to achieve her own personal success have forced me to withdraw my support for her and focus on Obama's candidacy.

Yes I agree here. I think very highly of the Clintons, both Bill and Hillary, but were quite disappointed in the manner in which she conducted her campaign. I said months ago that I would not think too highly of either candidate who resorted to such tactics.

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Originally Posted by boynextdoorkpt

McCain and the republican machine are going to use scare tactics. They will target national security and race as big issues.

Well up until about a month ago a check of his campaign website showed that his solution to Iraq was to pour even more troops into the area. It's since been changed. Now it reads "the best way to secure long-term peace and security in Iraq is to establish a stable, prosperous, and democratic state..." A change in position? Or camouflage?

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Originally Posted by vince

Recent history shows that a politician can't go wrong thinking the public is stupid. How did Bush ever get elected in the first place if the people were not stupid? At least 50% of them anyway. Same goes for the war. Anyone who thought that the U.S. was looking for WMD or bringing "democracy" to the Mideast was delusional. The Reps will use fear and prejudice on the electorate this fall because it works.

Yes...unfortunately you are quite correct. You can't fool all the people all the time, but they have done an excellent job of fooling enough.

StapledShut · 05-21-2008

Actually, more and more of the Hillary supporters are starting to realize that Obama is the next best choice if their preferred candidate doesn't get the nomination, and that McCain will only serve to worsen the situations that they were hoping Clinton would fix. In the next six months, enough of them will give in.

boynextdoorkpt · 05-21-2008

You are right stapled, if the clinton supports do not feel pressured by the Obama camp, they will get tired of the bull shit from McCain and vote Obama.