Edwards Says No to Obama

What's he going to do? Overthrow the American Federal Government?

More likely he is going to be completely impotent if he even gets to see the inside of 1600 Pennsylvania Ave, and go home with his tail between his legs after receiving a royal political beatdown, the likes of which we've never witnessed.

Better men than him have gone to Washington with high ideals and plans to change Washington and gone back home dejected realizing that that type of change can't happen like "a revolution" in our system of Government. Obama is not a messiah.

NOT THIS YEAR NOT THIS TIME!....don't you get it trinity....Obama is different.....

Did those failures indicate flaws in the system, or the men?

I liked Kucinich but there is no way America will ever vote for a man who looks like a muppet.

I agree but she messed up by consistently lying and hiring so many unscrupulous people to work on her campaign. I doubt they will be able to makeup and play nice at this point.

Once again, Obama is not a messiah. Obama is full of crap. Prime examples is him saying he doesn't take oil money...while taking those donations like every other candidate. Obama accuses other candidates of pandering on the gas tax holiday when he voted three times for a gas tax holiday. Obama said no conditions in sitting down with our enemies, but recently changed it to some pre-conditions or "prepartions." Obama has pandered to the Gay Community promising to fully repeal DOMA...he was for legal same sex marriage but now he's again only for civil unions. The full repeal of DOMA was only pandering for votes because he believes the states should always decide. Obama has been about and is about getting elected.

It indicates huge flaws in the foolish thinking that our system can be changed in an instant by some revolutionary means by one man...as if he is some messiah.

I don't think Hillary messed up anything. I think Obama had a pillow or two...

Rev. Wright was apart of Obama's campaign. Ms. Powers who had to step down for calling Sen. Clinton a monster but more than likely because she was on tape saying that Obama is just saying what he needs to say in the campaign but intends to do something different in the White House. Then there is the Obama Advisor who went to the Canadian Governent and said the same thing on NAFTA. Add to that, Obama himself who did a wink and a smile in courting the Teamsters who want assistance in getting rid of Federal oversight.

And lying? Obama has quite of few of his own. Nobody believes he didn't know of his mentor's fundamental beliefs that he made public over a number of years. Obama lied about taking oil money. Obama lied about a member of his staff meeting with the Canadian Government. Obama lied about being conceived through the March in Selma. Obama has falsely stated he was raised by a single mother, when in fact his mother remarried and the family moved to Indonesia with his step father...later he was in the home of his two grandparents and attended private schools. Obama was far from being raised in a one parent household.

Messiah is an affectation of your own design. I was asking a general (not about Obama) question about flaws in contemporary political process which you largely side stepped:

In your opinion, is a failure to enact meaningful change within the US political system indicative of flaws with that system, or with those who would seek to effect said change, and if the former what would you advocate be done to correct them?

I'm assuming here, you would agree that the current US political system is somewhat less than 100% fit for purpose. If you don't, then all I can say is ... heaven help you.

I answered the question with no side stepping. If you'd like me to answer in a general way not specific to Obama, I can do that too.

In my opinion, the failures of some of the men I was speaking of to enact meaningful change within the US political system was indicative of both flaws with the US political system and the men.

What do I advocate to change the system? Read what Skull Mason stated. Then Read what Hazel answered. Then read what I wrote. You should understand it then. I advocate for change, but again I don't think it will come in some revolutionary fashion through some Obama messiah. Anyone believing that is just buying the junk Obama is peddaling. Real Change will happen over time, it took years to get in this mess it will take time to fix it. It will also take a leader who knows how to work within the current system to change it.

jesus, you are misinformed, or just very vitriolic.

obama takes PERSONAL donations, NONE in excess of $2300, as per campaign finance law. how can he help if those people happen to work for oil companies? he takes NO money from ANY corporations.

hillary takes the same personal oil donations, and she has taken more of that than he has.

jeremiah wright was never obama's "mentor." and those are not his fundamental beliefs. do you really think a man's fundamental beliefs can be summed up in 30 seconds of video clips? the body of his entire life's work was being represented in 15 seconds of air time, so he went out and made fun of a lot of it, so we now have 30 seconds of air time, and obama repeatedly denounced him. what more do people like you want?

why be cynical and pesismistic? obama, for all his faults, is CLEARLY superior to any other candidate.

if he picked hagel as a running mate, it would really drive home the point of change, and movement away from red state/blue state politics, which is something this country is in dire need of.

and the fact stands that obama's mother was single, for whatever amount of time, as a result of divorce.

the fact stands that she was on food stamps.

the fact stands that hillary and mccain are the ones with 100's of millions in their bank accounts, who still have not released full tax information.

the fact stands that obama is not "peddaling junk," but trying, the best any one man can, to bring this country in the right direction. if it doesn't happen in one term, or a two term presidency, so what?

why not start now?

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obama may have voted for a gas tax holiday, but he is the only now explaining to us how it will not help in the long term, at all.

hillary and mccain, on the other hand, are trying to sell us on how getting $60 back over the course of the summer is somehow the end-all of the oil price problem.

the reality is that we only have an oil price problem because oil is so price inelastic to us. in europe, they pay TWICE what we do, even now. most of it is taxes. for that reason, they never developed the addiction we have in the states, so...

(1) they don't import so much from places like the middle east, through organizations like OPEC
(2) when prices do rise, they aren't hurt as much because taxes can be eased to compensate, and even if taxes are unchanged, the supply price factor is much less, proportionally, than it is here
(3) petroleum tax revenues are used to enhance public transportation infrastructure, and funneled into R&D for alternative energy

so the united states, because we were too short sighted to reduce gasoline consumption in the beginning, is left grasping at straws with little alternative.

the gas tax "holiday" does nothing. that being said, why would you vote against it? obama is simply telling us that while it may give us $60, it won't fix ANY of the problems.

Actually, if you look at what you wrote, you see that you didn't.

I suppose I asked for that, but I was hoping (forlornly) for better. Can you elaborate?

I'm not 'interested' in what Hazel or Mason wrote here, I asked you - what would you do (advocate)?

I've read what you've written and besides the usual blather about how awful Obama is, how great Hillary is (and vice versa) and some trivial arguments about polls. Your posts are full of one sided negativity and the repeated messianic references in relation to Obama merely present an image of immaturity and ... bitterness.

I see nothing of substance relating to my question, or much else truth be told. Vapid inanities such as "I advocate for change" and "It will take a leader who knows how to work within the system to change it" don't constitute substance. I don't know why I ask because each time I read a new post from you I'm more convinced you're a mere political lemming.

I made no reference to revolution, and I'd ask the question again but I suspect it'd be a waste of my time, because I think you simply have no idea how to begin answering it. Thanks for playing, though.

LoL, Obama is the only one asserting that taking these donations is somehow "bad" or negatively influential. And Obama falsely claimed he didn't take them.

Sorry but Obama defined Wright as his Spirtual Advisor, Mentor, and Moral Compass. He was likened to an Uncle. Wright's fundamental beliefs on race, and how he views the United States weren't just summed up in 30 second clips. Wright reaffirmed his beliefs when Obama had to throw him under the bus and denounce him completely...or don't you remember?

Obama was lying when he said he was raised by a single mother period.

The Clintons have done well in the last eight years but after leaving the White House they were millions in debt with legal fees. They didn't always have millions. Obama is a millionaire who lives in a million dollar home as well.

Not so. Hillary Clinton has stated repeatedly that a gas tax "holiday" is immediate aide for hurting families. She has had a plan to address the oil problem for some time now. Obama has no immediate assistance solution but criticizes Clinton for something he believed in enough to vote for three times. How hypocritical and phoney. "He's gonna tell the American People the truth..." keeping buying his junk.

What I wrote was in reference to what Skull Mason and Hazel wrote. If you aren't interested in following the discussion then what are you posting for? I've already answered your question.

Hazel do you believe that this change will happen if obama gets elected?