Government created AIDS/HIV?

I absolutely agree with the your second paragraph and that does challenge my theory. HIV/AIDS is quite weak outside of the body and it's not the best for wiping out people quickly.

But what if HIV wasn't designed to wipe out people quickly? What if it was designed to take out generations and to perpetuate itself without leaving any evidence of it's existence? What if it was designed as a societal killer and not just a method to end war?

I like your point about the billions of dollars that is spent fighting HIV/AIDS and then I think of the trillions made from HIV/AIDS. Between the medications, doctors and associated care--HIV is a profitable business. And again, if you have a certain mindset, what's really lost? Groups of people that many societies care the least about.

I believe what Guy-jin said.

personally i'm surprised no super-power has used it in an attack, considering how barbaric some leaders are. either way, the man-having-sex-with-monkey story always gave me a chuckle.

Well, here's something that may ease your worry.
During one of the more recent biological warfare scares, whatever the airborne disease-of-the-month was that the feds were worried was going to be released on us via bio-bomb, the military's response was to develop airborne antidote bombs to drop in the affected areas rather than to counteract with a stronger disease in a stronger bomb. These people are well aware of the slippery slope involved in biological warfare.
Now, if our military were known for such practices as suicide bombings, the notion would not be at all far-fetched. So if your theory is true, I doubt it was developed by the US Government.

Guy jin, I appreciate your contribution to this, don't get me wrong. I'm not tied to my theory, that's why I posted it, to have it challenged and learn new perspectives.

What's your theory on how the virus passed from monkey to human, when if monkeys have had this for years and people have been around for years, HIV should have presented itself hundreds of years ago, not 30 years ago.

The problem with that stance is that if you're going to take the effort to design a latent virus that's going to slowly kill the masses with the goal of genocide, you'd want to invent one that is transmitted very easily.

But really, the best virus for such a terrible use would be one that you could easily infect everyone with and kill only those you want with. Either by having a cure on hand for those you want to save, or by activating the latent virus only in those you want to kill.

Basically, the fact that HIV is so difficult to transmit relative to other common viruses that you can pick up by touching a doorhandles or being in the vicinity of the infected shows how weak it is, don't you think?

Actually, my overall stance is that, if it is a synthetic disease, it wasn't created by the US government. My point with that is just that it's a lot easier to trace something fast-acting and fast-spreading back to the original source, thus making it more difficult to pin the blame on one of those warlords.

All good points Guyjin. I guess something to consider is, maybe they messed it up? Maybe they were just testing how to reduce the immune system, synthesized the virus using the monkey version and then tested it on humans and it went out of control?

There's no argument from me that HIV is a weak virus though, I know that.

Please note that I never said the US created it either, it's not even part of my pseudo theory. I just think a government had a hand in its creation.

Well, I'm not actually in disagreement that there are racial issues related to HIV/AIDS. It's a major issue culturally, societally, economically, biologically... in all ways. But it wasn't created by humans to kill humans.

It's nature doing what it does best.

Think about it from nature's point of view, if you will give me that. Imagine what nature's "goal" is in "designing" a virus. It doesn't want to create a virus that kills you so quickly that you can't pass it on to other people. What it "wants" is a virus that can spread and infect without killing. For a very weak virus like HIV, it would want it to have a very long latent period that would give it the chance to be spread. It would want you to actually be relatively healthy for years while you carry the disease around so you have the chance to have sex with someone to pass it on. In fact, it'd prefer if you had sex with a number of people, so giving you more time is in its interest.

Anyway, if you think about it from that perspective, HIV is actually a very well-designed virus. When I say it's a poor virus, I mean it doesn't kill quickly, it doesn't spread easily, and it's pretty easy to prevent.

As for the question about how it passed on to humans, I only need point out that the influenza virus does so annually, and not from a closely related animal like a monkey, but from a very distantly related animal like a chicken. Getting a virus from a species that shares 93-99% of your genome isn't that big of a feat, actually.

Instead of the sex-with-a-monkey theory, I'd guess it was probably just some poor guy who ate an undercooked or raw monkey and got unlucky.

our government fucked up a hotel burglary. what makes you think less than a decade later they could pull of AIDs?

I admire your yeomanry. You remind me of a period in 2006 when I felt compelled to deal with 9/11 truthies. They also felt the government was fully competent to blow up the WTC with explosives, that the planes were mere drones, that the passengers on the 'real planes' were flown away and killed, and that the fact that nobody in CIA and FBI ever said a word about the obvious fact that Al Qaida was totally innocent and that it was a start-to-finish U.S. Government job--in other words, they claimed that the U.S. government had somehow hypnotized all levels of personnel so that they knew how to 'act as if Al Qaida did it' while all along they really know how innocent Bin Laden was...all I can say is: Know when to pull out, kid. This sort of thing is NOT worth it. Governments are nothing if not incompetent. People involved in the various conspiracy theories don't even know aboutthe internecine wars between CIA and FBI, and the fact that they can't even get their own files straightened out, much less figure out how to deal with the White House. As you probably know, this sort of thing is mostly 'sensation seeking', and the real factual texts are not nearly as much fun for some to read as are the idiotic crap by Ruppert on 9/11, I don't know nor care about the HIV conspiracy theories. But who knows, maybe you're a patient pedagogue, but logic is not what you're dealing with when this kind of thing comes up--and the main thing to remember is it is most unwelcome.

I did notice that, actually. That's why, aside from making that specification, I didn't rule out the possibility that a different government did it.

Guyjin, you might be able to correct this, but I believe when HIV first came out, it didn't take decades to kill, it took a couple years. The initial cases people didn't really last that long at all. It's only been through the advent of various drug therapies that people have been able to extend their lives.

Also, how is it that there are 2 main strains of the virus, the gay strain and more virulent "straight" strain? The gay strain just happens to be in the western countries where there are more out gay people and the straight strain is in all the third world countries. How come the more deadly straight strain hasn't made its way to the western countries?

Love to hear your thoughts.

doesn't spread easily?? you underestimate the human appetite for unprotected sex, drug abuse, and our ignorant tendencies. almost everyone learned about aids in high-school but i know grown adults that say things like "me and my friends only use condoms when we bottom, but when we top we don't cuz no fluids are exchanged". doesn't spread easily? as hormone-driven and as drug-abusing as humans are it's TOO easy