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Originally Posted by Draconis71 Parents SHOULD take action for their kids. Adults should take responsibility for their own actions. that's all i'm saying. there has to be a line somewhere that says "you know what,

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Old 05-15-2008   #91 (permalink)
marleyisalegend is offline

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Parents SHOULD take action for their kids. Adults should take responsibility for their own actions.
that's all i'm saying. there has to be a line somewhere that says "you know what, there's no excuse for the neglect and lack of control you're taking in your childs life". if the parent is doing all they can that's one thing, but there are many parents who don't see their kid for days at a time and couldn't care less. i'm not saying punish good parents, punish bad ones. guess what's happened to crime since the US started increasing imprisonment?? it's gone down. is it not fair to assume that if we buckle down on NEGLECTFUL parents, that behavior may decrease too?
 
Old 05-15-2008   #92 (permalink)
Freddie53 is offline

WHEN DO YOU MEND THE HEM OF A DRESS THAT HAS JUST STARTED UNRAVELING? WHEN THE FIRST SECTION OF THE HEM STARTS UNRAVELING OR WAIT UNTIL THE HEM IS COMPLETELY UNRAVELED.


Just stumbled on this thread. I am a retired elementary teacher. When a chidl was in kindergarten we teachers knew who was having problems with learning and needed help, which children could be successful in school IF their parents were doing their jobs as parents.

I digress here just a second: There will be some students who can not be successful at staying on grade level particularly as they rise through the lower and then upper grades. Some of these have functionally retarded or have a serious learning disability that prevents them from reading from a page even though they may be very bright.

I can not emphasize enough that we wouldn't have this large number of functionally illiterate adults if we would seriously address this problem early on. Preschool for four year olds should be mandatory in every state. (Those children a bit behind in development and have a birthday that makes them in the youngest fourth of the class might need to wait a year.) I understand that this is what is done in some European nations.

I have no problem holding parents responsible. What is wrong with our system is we pick out a 19 year old. Why did we wait that long. Don't try to tell me that on her 19th birthday this problem developed and before that she was a straight A honor student in a public high school.

Not America, our curriculum schedules in high school are first centered around when the coaches can have football practice. (I am a great fan of high school football.) In Middle Schools (Sixth grade-Eighth grade) schools are often guilty of putting the teachers that the high school principal did not want on his staff.

(I taught sixth grade, but there are way too many high school teachers trying to teach middle school age students who aren't really children or teens yet. They are a special group. Taught right they can learn and retain information that is absolutely remarkable, but only if the teacher can stay in front of the kids attention in creative ways to keep the learning on learning designed by the teacher, not on learning of outside influences that in time are destructive to the students character, morale and ultimate level of education.)


And we NEED two teachers in kindergarten rooms with no more than 18 students, preferably 15. It would be even more ideal if one teacher was male and the other female. The boys especially at that age adore having a man come in and teach. All they ever see is women teaching and a very large majority of students that are falling behind are boys who have absentee fathers.

If we could:

1.Have mandatory preschool with two teachers per 12 students. One would not have to be certified teacher and can be a teacher's aide.

2. Have the prescribed kindergarten I mentioned with two teachers per 18 students.

3. Continue having two teachers (One can be a teacher's aide) with no more than 21 students per class.

4. Don't average in the music art, PE, Special Ed, Liberian and all the other special teachers to get the numbers to appear to be the above numbers. These ratios that schools sometimes publish are a joke. Creative statistics will be published to state that the ratio is 15 to 1 in first grade. But in reality there are 24 kids assigned to that first grade teacher's classroom.

5. Let students who are the youngest in the class, show signs of being being developmentally slow repeat either preschool, kindergarten or first grade. I am not saying failed, I said repeat. If the evidence shows that staying another year in those lowest grades will fix problems later on then that is when we use retention. Not in ninth grade after the battle has been lost.

The key is fixing the problems at age four through seven. Hold parents accountable to see that they do what they need to do to see that their child succeed. That is the time to get serious with the parents that don't cooperate and take serously their role as parents.

Post is long so I'll just brush over some of the things that parents could be required to do as early as age 4-7 but can also be done at any grade.

1. Require the parent to miss work and sit with their child all day who won't behave. That really works at high school. Students don't want a parent with them all day taking them to the door of the restroom when they need to go, accompany them to the water fountain, be there for EVERY conversation their child is having with other students. It is amazing how fast students will change their behavior. And it is amazing how soon parents really want to help their child succeed in school.

2. Workshops and such that some parents need in order to be good parents should be provided free with even free child care through sixth grade. We have to train some parents.

ABOUT THAT DRESS. It is amazing how much easier it is to stitch just a few stitches early on than wait until the entire him has to be restitched. Same with our children. We know which ones are going to be drop outs and have problem when they are five. Why are we waiting until they are 16-19 to do something about it?

How do we pay for this? We have the highest rate of incarceration in the entire developed world. I've read that it cost upwards of $50,000 per prisoner including all hidden costs. All that money could better be spent on deveoping model citizens at age four.

Age four. Yes. Our job as educators is to make the student successful right now, now some years down the line or when they grow up. Patterns start young. If the pattern at age is success we have hope for the future. If the pattern is failure from age four to age seven the future does not look bright at all for that student. There are exceptions but generally this is true.
 
Old 05-15-2008   #93 (permalink)
marleyisalegend is offline

thankyou freddie for the most well-written post in this thread. it's simply silly for people to assume that the only learning happens between 8am and 2pm. parents HAVE to take a proactive role in their children's education because of the mountain of benefits (structure, discipline, technical knowledge, etc..). obviously some parents do the best they can to no avail, that's not their fault. but we're ignoring parents who have little to no involvement in their child's education. i'd bet the barn that most parents don't even know how many kids are in their child's class. your child may be in an over-crowded classroom receiving no extra help. your child may be in the classroom of a convicted sex offender. it's blind to simply stick your kid on a bus and hope that when they come home they're well educated. discipline and importance of education should be stressed at home more-so than at school because that's where the child's roots are, at home. at the same time, the fact that the school system is in the dismay that it's in is also partly because of lack of parental involvement. do you know the teacher you're sending your child of too? do you know their bus driver? do you know what they're learning and if they're learning it.it's too easy to put all the responsibility on the teacher. if parents start young like freddie said, clamping down on the early years, there's a greater chance of success than waiting til the child is 19 and can't read or write. what i'm asking is what level of parental involvement is necessary, and at what point do we say "you're not doing enough to ensure your child's education?"
 

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