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his parenst sound horrible, and it is his own work ethic that has developed his passion for hard work. shake his hand.

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Old 05-13-2008   #31 (permalink)
THEDUDEofDestiny is offline

his parenst sound horrible, and it is his own work ethic that has developed his passion for hard work. shake his hand.
 
Old 05-13-2008   #32 (permalink)
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his parenst sound horrible, and it is his own work ethic that has developed his passion for hard work. shake his hand.
first of all, NEVER post about my parents because you don't know enough about them to write a paragraph, that was insulting simply because you don't know my parents (like people who make yo mama jokes when the person they're insulting may very well have a mother who's passed away).

second, what i'm saying is, and tell me if you disagree, if parents take a more proactive role in their children's education, isn't that likely to improve the statistics about drop-outs and illiteracy?? mom being at the club shaking her ass while you're struggling with math homework sounds like a ludicrous idea to defend. teachers have 32 students for about an hour, parents have less children and, often, more time spent with them.
 
Old 05-13-2008   #33 (permalink)
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Indeed it's hard to disagree with that.

The issue though is why the father was "ordered" to make sure she completes her education - why not order her to complete it? Ultimately it is the daughter who has to sit down and finish the work, punishing the father seems a pointless exercise since you can only control an 18-year-old to a rather limited degree. No doubt she'll realise that her reduced earning prospects over her entire life (unless she re-takes it somehow) and reduced quality of life are her punishments in time - however sending someone to prison to "mend his ways" seems laughable when it he isn't the one ultimately responsible for the failure of her education.
Precisely!

The father's order was unenforceable once she turned 18 and, even then, she doesn't sound all that bright if she got pregnant with neither a husband nor a GED. How exactly could the father compel her to study? Lock her in a room? That's a felony. There is no legal way I can see for the father to enforce the order without breaking legislated law and it is illegal for any court to order someone to break the law. This guy should have appealed the decision.

Grandstanding from the bench IMHO.
 
Old 05-13-2008   #34 (permalink)
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Precisely!

The father's order was unenforceable once she turned 18 and, even then, she doesn't sound all that bright if she got pregnant with neither a husband nor a GED. How exactly could the father compel her to study? Lock her in a room? That's a felony. There is no legal way I can see for the father to enforce the order without breaking legislated law and it is illegal for any court to order someone to break the law. This guy should have appealed the decision.

Grandstanding from the bench IMHO.
again,i think they overreacted in THIS case, but there are many parents of younger children who take no responsibility for their children. my lady-friend's boyfriend travis is constantly in and out of jail for committing FELONIES but instead of letting him learn his lesson, his parents hire him an expensive lawyer that gets him off. see anything wrong with this picture?? what is he learning??
 
Old 05-13-2008   #35 (permalink)
THEDUDEofDestiny is offline

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first of all, NEVER post about my parents because you don't know enough about them to write a paragraph, that was insulting simply because you don't know my parents (like people who make yo mama jokes when the person they're insulting may very well have a mother who's passed away).

second, what i'm saying is, and tell me if you disagree, if parents take a more proactive role in their children's education, isn't that likely to improve the statistics about drop-outs and illiteracy?? mom being at the club shaking her ass while you're struggling with math homework sounds like a ludicrous idea to defend. teachers have 32 students for about an hour, parents have less children and, often, more time spent with them.

i apologize if i was insulting to your parents. i only meant that in this thread you said they didn't take an active approach in your education and you worked on your own and seem to care about both the education of others and any future children you might raise. i didn't mean to put them down so much as to say the credit for this would appear to rest with you. my language was poorly chosen when i should hae just said you are the one to shake hands with. the flipside of that is this daughter deserves the discredit of her dropping out.

as for the second point, of course i agree with you. it'd be damn hard to find anyone that would. i just don't think it is law enforcements roll to punish parents for the behavior of children. parents who neglect their offspring or don't end them to school when they are young are correctly frowned upon and punished. my only disagreement with you i really that i think the state's right to enforce good parenting only extends so far.
 
Old 05-13-2008   #36 (permalink)
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i apologize if i was insulting to your parents. i only meant that in this thread you said they didn't take an active approach in your education and you worked on your own and seem to care about both the education of others and any future children you might raise. i didn't mean to put them down so much as to say the credit for this would appear to rest with you. my language was poorly chosen when i should hae just said you are the one to shake hands with. the flipside of that is this daughter deserves the discredit of her dropping out.

as for the second point, of course i agree with you. it'd be damn hard to find anyone that would. i just don't think it is law enforcements roll to punish parents for the behavior of children. parents who neglect their offspring or don't end them to school when they are young are correctly frowned upon and punished. my only disagreement with you i really that i think the state's right to enforce good parenting only extends so far.
to an extent, and certainly in this case, it's ridiculous. but how many parents are sitting in the living room with a bottle of vodka while their child is struggling to learn how to read. obviously we shouldn't lock up every parent who's child fails, but if it's proven that the parent IS neglecting their child's education, isn't that the same as neglecting to feed them, which you can be jailed for (child neglect). children aren't all equiped with a sense of personal responsibility, parents should be.
 
Old 05-13-2008   #37 (permalink)
THEDUDEofDestiny is offline

when we jail all these parents who is going to raise the kids?
 
Old 05-13-2008   #38 (permalink)
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when we jail all these parents who is going to raise the kids?
hopefully after hearing about a case or two, parents will start being more proactive in their children's education. if i hear 4 of my neighbors got arrested for not cutting their grass, guess what you're gonna see me doing first thing sunday morning.....
 
Old 05-13-2008   #39 (permalink)
THEDUDEofDestiny is offline

you realize our prisons are overcroded as it is, and that this new world of your's sounds awfully close to a police state
 
Old 05-13-2008   #40 (permalink)
Ed69 is offline

Hearing about a case like this makes me defensive not proactive.Any fool that thinks they can put me in a cage because my kid fucked up is sadly mistaken.
 
Old 05-13-2008   #41 (permalink)
Nick4444 is offline

oh, wow! he's back!
 
Old 05-13-2008   #42 (permalink)
marleyisalegend is online now

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Hearing about a case like this makes me defensive not proactive.Any fool that thinks they can put me in a cage because my kid fucked up is sadly mistaken.
if you raise your kid right, they're less likely to fuck up. there's a general correlation between proactive parents and successful children. think less about yourself and more about parents who bail their kids outta jail time after time instead of letting them sit for awhile and learn their lesson. i'm not suggesting we lock every parent up, but let's start holding people accountable for the lives they produce, is that too much to ask??
 
Old 05-13-2008   #43 (permalink)
THEDUDEofDestiny is offline

the state doesnt have this right though
 
Old 05-13-2008   #44 (permalink)
FuzzyKen is offline

What I find a wee bit perplexing here is that I do not think that any of us have the whole story. I am watching a similar situation in a branch of my own family. We have two parents who just don't seem to get it. We now have a 19 year old girl who simply just disappeared from the school system and nobody within that school system has ever has done an audit to see what happened.

This girl has some learning problems and some social ones as well. She sits home, eats, sleeps, plays video games and on the computer. Her one accomplishment is gaining weight. She is incapable of making change, cannot deal with the lowest level of math to even balance a check book and has absolutely zero hope for a decent future. The parents go to their respective jobs and simply ignore where this is going. The mom is a great person but is suffering from congestive heart failure and other medical problems while still working.

This seems a little extreme to me, but again I am wondering what the father has to do with his daughters lack of scholastic success.

Is there some evidence that was presented in court to be able to get this kind of verdict at a trial? This would be an interesting Law Study to be certain.
 
Old 05-13-2008   #45 (permalink)
marleyisalegend is online now

in this specific case, the father initially (or at some point) had custody of the girl and for reasons unspecified, they ended up in court and he was ruled by a judge to make sure she completes her ged. he had a contract with the judge. if a judge tells me make sure your daughter graduates, i wouldn't send her to her mother but even if i did i'm still calling everyday to make sure homework's done and studying is being finished before she leaves the house.
 

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