People who HATE you.

For the record, unless you're George Bush/Karl Rove/Dick Cheney, Courtney Love or the Rev Phelps--I don't hate you. If you voted for the first group, think the next one is "cool" or follow the last one, well then I just feel sorry for you.

Come now, you can't really hate Courtney Love, can you? She's not cool, but she is sad and sick more than hateful, even though she was in the past, as proved by Nick Broomfield's documentary. Most of us have been hateful in the past, I think, and she was very young at the time. What's more, she did turn in at least one good performance in the movie about Larry Flynt, even if she had a lot of experience in being already such a character.

Yeah I doubt we are getting rid of that anal itch.

Just now listening to Mahler's 5th Symphony, and discovered the Siegried leitmotif cleverly quoted by Mahler (about 3 times in quick succession halfway through), a devoted admirer of Wagner, in the Final Movement. Gorgeous piece, and interesting as well that Mahler was Jewish. Of course, James Levine and Daniel Barenboim are too, and conduct Wagner, although performance of Wagner in Israel is prohibited. Lots of Heidegger's biggest champions have been and continue to be Jewish, as Rubi will know. Have been continuing to listen through this comment, and it's quoted again by cellos toward the end.

This wouldn't have been the advice I give just anyone... I know SR has a music background. Nor was I recommending memorizing the entire score.

But reading through a synopsis of the story really enhances the experience. There's a lot going on, and the story is complicated. There are also resources that have all the main themes and motifs - being able to recognize the 10-note Siegfried motif and the short Wotan motif and the ring motif also makes for a richer appreciation. Dissertation-style study is good for scholars, but a couple of evenings (at most) familiarizing helps you get your money's worth if you see such a production live.

how bout those of us who get off on your attitude, your diction and your crude sailer tongue ;-) lovin' yer vibe there nothe, never change!!!!

I think this is true of any opera, even if it's in English, say something by Benjamin Britten like 'Owen Wingrave'. The more research the better, of course, but my remarks were based largely on the sense that the most important thing is to realize that you are dealing with 4 discrete operas that are often done separately in a season instead of a whole cycle (as the Met did 'Siegfried' in 1999 or 2000). When people think of 'getting familiar with the Ring Cycle', therefore, they might think of it as 'less daunting' if they thought of getting familiar with one per year (at least till they got well-started on it, and definitely don't start with 'Das Rheingold' unless you are sure you are going to tackle all of it), or seeing, say, 'Gotterdamerung' in quite the same way as 'Lohengrin.' After all, Lohengrin and Parsifal are son and father, but the operas which bear their names are not paired, but they are actually just as intertextual as the Ring Cycle in terms of their characters (but not in the music, of course, as much, since Parsifal is written much later (34 years later), the last of the operas, so I suppose in vulgar parlance Parsifal could be called something of a prequel in the Holy Grail series.)

Anyway, thanks for pointing out that it's 10 notes. I think the quote Mahler uses is one of the shorter versions, when it is like a kind of question in 'the Siegfried Idyll'. Quite a bit different from Jerry Herman's settling out of court for lifting a little too much from an old ditty called 'Sunflower' for his huge hit, the title song from 'Hello, Dolly!'

haha...how do people get hated on a messageboard?

having an opinion, especially if the popular concensus is on the other side of the fence.

I hope no one hates me. I'm just a big ol cuddly bear.

Image my surprise when I founded out actually it was pointed out to me ,I was on someone's hate list. Funny since I have never made a direct or indirect comment to wards this person.

I think it comes from my me making this comment http://www.lpsg.org/1423119-post81.html when No Strings did this http://www.lpsg.org/1422710-post52.html and its still funny burnt her with that.

I'd hate to think there are those who hate me. Tho I'm sure there are some who do. I don't wanna know them.
I'd love to think there are those who love me. I hope there are some who do. I'd like to know them.

I hate to think that this thread is still going. Why even bring this topic up? Enjoy the site, ignore the stupidity.

That's pretty incredible, since it was such a good thread and people used it properly. There was a great deal of affection in it. Did you read it?