Informal Democrat Poll

This logic is flawed though, he may not have won them against Clinton, but NY, Cali, TX (which he did win), Il (which he did win), PA, MA, NJ, NH and so on are democratic. They will not go for McCain. And dont underestimate his ability to change certain states like VA or NC or even a GA or MS because of the black vote. And i have several friends who are repubs that are now Obamicans. Give him more credit. The more I hear about his electability the more I hear that people are jsut scared he wont win. Well he is doing ok so far, if you support he will do even better.

No, did win Illinois, his home state. The reasons obvious all around, but still Illinois is a big state.

Not that in my voting for him I like him much. I don't. I'm settling in my despair.

The U.C.Church is not homophobic. It is a church that welcomes gays and supports same-sex marriages as stated here:

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/05/na.../05church.html

Excerpt:

ATLANTA, July 4 2005 - The United Church of Christ became the first mainline Christian denomination to support same-sex marriage officially when its general synod passed a resolution on Monday affirming "equal marriage rights for couples regardless of gender."...

and here:

YouTube - UCC - Bouncers


Senator McCain, in alliance with the anti-gay Family Research Council, petitioned to have same-sex civil unions banned in his home state of Arizona in 2005. See "the Protection of Marriage Act". In 2006 the bill he supported that would have banned same-sex marriage in his home state of Arizona failed to be passed fortunately.

Feb. 27, 2008 McCain embraced an endorsement from Anti-Catholic, Anti-Gay, Anti-Muslim Televangelist John Hagee. He has not and will not denounce this man's views.

http://www.lpsg.org/1378441-post1.html

If you want to support a Republican and spread their propaganda so be it, but you won't be viewed as Democrat from this point onward.

And this lays the problem.
If your decision is based on the issues, such as Abortion, The Economy, The War, etc... and you support Clinton or Obama... then there's no logical explanation as to why you'd would support McCain because his stance is almost the exact opposite as Obama and Clinton. Everything else is trivial.

Extreme Hillary supporters talk about Obama's lack of experience. Experience doesn't always spell out knowledge and it also doesn't mean that the person with the most of it will always get it right. Some people can learn and adapt to situations better than others. The fact that Obama has been elected into office shows that he has more knowledge on the subject matter than anyone of us.

Extreme Obama supporters talk about how Hillary is not trustworthy and lies. Well, EVERY politician lies and tells half truths on certain issues. I know many otaku on this board have belittled me on this topic (and I won't mention any names for I know some of them will be on this thread in a heartbeat to try and bash me), but there's no such thing as a completely "trustworthy candidate". You're ultimately picking a liar over a fibber, or voting for someone that tells tales. This doesn't mean that making a choice is hopeless nor does it mean that your choice is completely at random. It means that we all have to see what these "lies" are all about and see which ones really do affect you. Does the idea of Presidential Blow Jobs make you run to the other candidates? Or how about fabricated stories that get a nation involved in an unpopular war? Maybe you're upset at where some of the funds for one's campaign are really coming from? In the end, it's all "politics as usual" bullshit, and you'll either allow yourself to get all wrapped up into it or move on. Choosing between Obama & Clinton based sorely on trust & faith is like choosing a chicken wing from KFC over one from Popeye's. They both may be seasoned differently, but underneath the flaky coating they're both the same thing.

"Not voting" because your favorite didn't win doesn't make you an independent thinker, nor does it send any kind of message to congress. Even if you decide to go hide under a rock and pout all because your one and only choice didn't get this far, someone you hate is going to get into office anyhow and will fuck things up. So, you'd better choose the candidate who will fuck it up less.

The one thing you can count on with Republicans is that the majority of them stand behind their candidate, regardless of who gets the nomination. That's because they know with a Republican in office, they have a better chance at seeing some of their needs taken care of. People who voted for Romney or Huckabee are going to support McCain in November because they know that Obama or Clinton does not share their political views. People who support either one of the Democratic candidates need to get over their hatred over the other and support the one that actually does win. If you truly believe that Obama is the best candidate for President or if you believe Hillary is, voting for McCain makes NO sense whatsoever.

That is, unless you're a hardcore Popeye's consumer and have a personal vendetta against people who eat at KFC.

That's not necessarily true. California, although usually Democratic during the main elections, actually did go Republican in 1988 with George Bush. We can't just assume that Democratic states will always vote the same way. And if people on both sides of the issue are this divided between Obama & Hillary, then it could spell trouble for whoever wins the nomination.

I started out as a John Edwards supporter. When he dropped out I started supporting Obama. If he did not get the nomination then I would still vote for Hillary even though I have strong reservations on how she has chosen to conduct her campaign. Ultimately, I will vote for a Democrat in the White House simply because of two words:

Supreme Court

Our next president will probably choose at least 2, if not more, Supreme Court justices. McCain has already promised to stack the deck with even more judges who are Far Right. This country simply cannot afford a Supreme Court that is made up almost exclusively of members of the Right Wing Conservative Movement. You think things are bad now? Just wait until 4 more years of McSame.

Now is not the time to pout and cry that your first choice of the Democrats didn't make it.

As for the person WAAAY back on the first page stated that Obama stayed in a "homophobic" (among other things) church. You're way off base. The United Church of Christ was the first denomination ever to ordain openly gay men and lesbians. They are the only Chrsitian denomination who have chosen on a national level to support gay marriage. The UCC has a LONG history of fighting for social justice in support of minorities, including African Americans, Women, and the GLBT Community. In fact, the 2nd largest congregation in the UCC is a predominantly GLBT church in Dallas (Obama's congregation is the largest). So whatever you think of Wright and his poor choice of words, and however you want to take his words out of context, I find it hard to say that Obama belongs to a "homophobic" church.

Reguardless who wins the nomination I'm voting Democrat... I preferr Hillary to Obama but again...Gotta go with the lesser of 2 Evils here.

Also, for those saying, "I just wont vote!!", If you don't vote, you don't have the right to bitch. At least by voting you can be bitchy about the nomination and feel good about it. :)

Bringing up this, one of the most asinine HRC talking points, illustrates how much critical thought has gone into your decision not to support Obama at any cost.

Anyone who thinks that Obama isn't going to sail to victory in "Clinton" big states like California, New York and Massachusetts is out of their fucking minds. And every poll that's been taken since Super Tuesday has indicated as much.

A Clinton general campaign would be run on the same 14 state strategy that Gore and Kerry ran on. An Obama general campaign will expand the playing field significantly - again, as every poll has indicated. He turns several red states blue (or at least purple), including Texas, something the polls indicate Hillary would not do despite her winning the primary there. He changes the map. She doesn't. Will he carry all the states Kerry and Gore won? Probably not. But he'll make up the difference by carrying states they lost, and he's a stronger top-of-ticket nominee for the Dems running for Congress and state office nationwide.

To answer your initial poll question, I'm voting for Obama. I'm a (liberal) Independent (I feel the same way about party affiliation as I do religious affiliation). None of the Republicans were ever an option for me. Clinton was my #2 until about 6 months ago; I could not in good conscience cast a vote for her now. If she won the nomination I would have written in Obama, not that it matters because my state is so blue they might as well hand our 55 electoral votes over to the Democrats in August and save everyone the trouble.

Sidenote: I find it odd (but not surprising) that in a thread you innocuously titled "Informal Democrat Poll" you so clearly presented a distinct point of view in the phrasing of your question. You should apply for a job at Fox News, they like that sort of cunning creativity.

im all for hillary.....if obama gets it then i will vote for mccain....and i think alot of her votes will go to him also....that is why ive been hearing he may ask her to be VP. i will not vote for obama!! the usa will regret if they do. the future will tell.

I hear this a lot, but y? if you vote for mccain, you really are kinda smacking clinton in the face, because her policies are very similar to clintons. a vote for mccain is against everything clinton stands for. all i hear is i will leave and vote for mccain, but y? it makes no sense.

I agree with you Vinyl, it's dangerous to assume that a blue or red state can't switch. But demographics aren't static. California, to use your example, is not the same state it was in 88. We have more than 12 million more people now and this additional population votes heavily Democratic.

Also, that race was between a popular Californian's VP and Dukakis.

I will vote Dem,. I don't care if the nominee is Micky Mouse. 4 more years of George W. McCain will do us in. I am a republican, I am not a conservative, being republican does not mean right wing, religious, out of this world stupidity. I wish the asshole concerves, like Limburger, insanityHanity, Laura smelly pussy Imgrahm, and that idiot Levin, would break away and start their own party. They have hijacked the republican party, we are not all like that. These "so called" religious idiots on the right like Bakker, Swaggert, Hagger, Oral "sex" Roberts, ad nausea. Limbaugh, would have us believe that republicans have. no heart. I got mine, is his mindset, I may have stolen, robbed, cheated, embezzled, whatever, but I got mine. Now keep the government out of my pocket. Right wing go away!

I'm voting for whoever gets the nomination. It's crazy to hear people say that they'd vote Republican or not vote at all. That is not looking at the big picture or really interested in seeing change. Obama OR Hillary in '08!