Informal Democrat Poll

saxxa · 05-09-2008

If Obama wins the nomination, I shall definitely vote for him over McCain. I think the ideal scenario would be to have a Clinton/Obama ticket so that there is someone to take care of business right away, looking to the possibility of sixteen years of Democratic leadership (eight years with Clinton followed by eight years with Obama).
Personally, if McCain wins, I will start looking to expatriate myself. Things are bad now after eight years of the Bush administration. This country will be going down the tubes if McCain wins.

becominghorse · 05-09-2008

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Originally Posted by saxxa

If Obama wins the nomination, I shall definitely vote for him over McCain. I think the ideal scenario would be to have a Clinton/Obama ticket so that there is someone to take care of business right away, looking to the possibility of sixteen years of Democratic leadership (eight years with Clinton followed by eight years with Obama).
Personally, if McCain wins, I will start looking to expatriate myself. Things are bad now after eight years of the Bush administration. This country will be going down the tubes if McCain wins.

I like this, too, but won't expatriate myself. I figure if I could survive Bush/Cheney without going to jail for Public Fellatio, I can survive McCain too.

Industrialsize · 05-09-2008

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Originally Posted by boynextdoorkpt

Bad facts or good facts, he will never be elected in a generl election.

Thta's funny, because in a head to head with Mccain on Realclearpolitics.com(a site that gives an average of all ther polls) Obama is leading Mccain by 2.3%
RealClearPolitics - Election 2008 - General Election: McCain vs. Obama

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Originally Posted by becominghorse

I like this, too, but won't expatriate myself. I figure if I could survive Bush/Cheney without going to jail for Public Fellatio, I can survive McCain too.

You may survive, but what about our soldiers ad innocent civilians of Iraq.....can you guarantee their safety?

Ms.Teacher · 05-09-2008

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Originally Posted by boynextdoorkpt

Bad facts or good facts, he will never be elected in a generl election.

I agree.

He's getting the black vote, which was evident this past week. And white Democrats frustrated with Republicans and Bush are also on the Obama bandwagon. I don't care what anyone says, it is still an election based on race and gender. We rarely hear why people are voting for Hillary or Obama, but we hear "first black president" or "first woman president" all of the time. People are caught up in the novelty of having a "first". McCain is far more qualified than Obama and Hillary combined, and has fewer skeletons in his closet.

becominghorse · 05-09-2008

Also, industrialsize, Krugman is good on how little meaning polls have about the general election at this point. I'll get the link to the NYTimes, from today...

boynextdoorkpt · 05-09-2008

You may survive, but what about our soldiers ad innocent civilians of Iraq.....can you guarantee their safety?

Can you honestly guarantee their safety under Obama? Do you really think we will be out of Iraq during his adminstration?

becominghorse · 05-09-2008

Anyway, here's the link to Krugman: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/09/op...hp&oref=slogin

Industrialsize · 05-09-2008

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Originally Posted by becominghorse

Also, industrialsize, Krugman is good on how little meaning polls have about the general election at this point. I'll get the link to the NYTimes, from today...

No need to, I read Mr krugman's column and rarely agree with him but on this point I do. General Election polls taken now are fairly meaningless

becominghorse · 05-09-2008

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Originally Posted by Industrialsize

You may survive, but what about our soldiers ad innocent civilians of Iraq.....can you guarantee their safety?

What the fuck are you asking me something like that for? makes no sense.

becominghorse · 05-09-2008

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Originally Posted by Industrialsize

No need to, I read Mr krugman's column and rarely agree with him but on this point I do. General Election polls taken now are fairly meaningless

You know what, Industrialsize, you aren't the only one who might like to read it, thank you.

Industrialsize · 05-09-2008

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Originally Posted by boynextdoorkpt

You may survive, but what about our soldiers ad innocent civilians of Iraq.....can you guarantee their safety?

Can you honestly guarantee their safety under Obama? Do you really think we will be out of Iraq during his adminstration?

Yes I can...LESS people will die under Obama than Mccain....and btw, you seem to be at odds with Senator clinton's owniraq plan:
Starting Phased Redeployment within Hillary's First Days in Office: The most important part of Hillary's plan is the first: to end our military engagement in Iraq's civil war and immediately start bringing our troops home. As president, one of Hillary's first official actions would be to convene the Joint Chiefs of Staff, her Secretary of Defense, and her National Security Council. She would direct them to draw up a clear, viable plan to bring our troops home starting with the first 60 days of her Administration.

becominghorse · 05-09-2008

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Originally Posted by Industrialsize

You may survive, but what about our soldiers ad innocent civilians of Iraq.....can you guarantee their safety?

I see, you asked this because you couldn't remember that I said I would vote for Obama if Clinton doesn't get the nomination.

becominghorse · 05-09-2008

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Originally Posted by boynextdoorkpt

You may survive, but what about our soldiers ad innocent civilians of Iraq.....can you guarantee their safety?

Can you honestly guarantee their safety under Obama? Do you really think we will be out of Iraq during his adminstration?

I agree with boynextdoor on this, because industrialsize cannot guarantee their safety. Frankly, he's boring, even though I will be stuck with voting Obama--too overzealous with febrile talk, that's Ind.Size.

bosatbk · 05-09-2008

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Originally Posted by Ms.Teacher

I agree.

He's getting the black vote, which was evident this past week. And white Democrats frustrated with Republicans and Bush are also on the Obama bandwagon. I don't care what anyone says, it is still an election based on race and gender. We rarely hear why people are voting for Hillary or Obama, but we hear "first black president" or "first woman president" all of the time. People are caught up in the novelty of having a "first". McCain is far more qualified than Obama and Hillary combined, and has fewer skeletons in his closet.

That is not a fair statement. Yes he gets the majority of the black vote, but that is not why he is winining. Black people are what, 12% of the population. It took a lot more than 12% to get him to where he is today.

Industrialsize · 05-09-2008

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Originally Posted by bosatbk

That is not a fair statement. Yes he gets the majority of the black vote, but that is not why he is winining. Black people are what, 12% of the population. It took a lot more than 12% to get him to where he is today.

Iowa, wisconsin, missouri, vermont.....the withest states in the usa, all won by Obama