Informal Democrat Poll

Some of the extreme things he has said is the government created the HIV virus to harm African-Americans. And while today the idea seems crazy. Given US history it isn't exactly unthinkable. Americans tend to think their government would not do anything to harm it's own people. But history tells us otherwise. Reverand Wright may be tapping into the fear that could be based on history. I refer to the 'The Tuskegee Syphilis Experiment'.

For forty years between 1932 and 1972, the U.S. Public Health Service (PHS) conducted an experiment on 399 black men in the late stages of syphilis. These men, for the most part illiterate sharecroppers from one of the poorest counties in Alabama, were never told what disease they were suffering from or of its seriousness. Informed that they were being treated for “bad blood,” their doctors had no intention of curing them of syphilis at all.

By the end of the experiment, 28 of the men had died directly of syphilis, 100 were dead of related complications, 40 of their wives had been infected, and 19 of their children had been born with congenital syphilis.

In 1990, a survey found that 10 percent of African Americans believed that the U.S. government created AIDS as a plot to exterminate blacks, and another 20 percent could not rule out the possibility that this might be true. As preposterous and paranoid as this may sound, at one time the Tuskegee experiment must have seemed equally farfetched.

It's an ugly chapter in American history.

CDC - NCHHSTP - Tuskegee Study - Timeline

You're comparing getting freelance jobs through technical knowledge learned from observation, to claiming governmental executive experience from observation. The latter is a huge stretch in comparison to the former. The most she can rightly claim from it is inside knowledge of the details of the steps taken on certain actions. But since it's such a dynamic and non-technical job, she can't equate it to actual experience in dealing with ever-changing issues and demands of the populous. All she knows is how Bill dealt with certain people at certain times.

Clinton is a carpetbagger. She used NY as a stepping stone. Had Moynihan not been retiring, she would've found another heavily democratic state, put on the cap of that state's (if they have one) baseball team and say something like "although I was born place a and lived place b, my heart has always been here".

Her and McCain are nearly one in the same.

I would be heartbroken if Hillary doesn't get the nomination.
I really don't think there's any question about it...Hillary's the man for the job. She's got herself surrounded by the same calibre of military & economic strategists Bill did when he was in office, & she's poised and ready to take us back to more of the same type of peace & prosperity the U.S. enjoyed for the 8 years he was president. Why are so many people missing this?
The American people must wise up: Another 4 years of Repuglican corporate-pandering and economy decimation is not acceptable.
Barack Hussein Obama as prez is not acceptable either.

To answer the question: I dunno what I'd do. I'd probably vote for Ralph Nader or just not vote (for the first time in my adult life, sadly...).

Why did you highlight Hussein? Was there a point to that?

Besides, Hillary recently said in an interview that if you don't vote for her, you should vote for Obama.

But you said that you would vote for McCain should Obama lose the nomination, so McCain is good, right?

So, we should vote for him, right?

So since you're so smart I should listen to you and not to that deranged, uneducated, underachieving "cunt" right?

What the fuck, THE ONLY PEOPLE WHO SEEM TO EVER MAKE SENSE ARE FROM NEW JERSEY. UNfortunately the rest of the country is too fucking stupid to realize this, and instead let their idiotic visions of grandeur cloud their brains. "change" will come eventually, but lets FIX THIS MOTHERFUCKER UP FIRST.

And domi leave the boy alone he needs help...

She obviously knows more than you or me about the subject matter because she became the Senator of New York and has a huge support base for the Democratic Nomination. Whatever knowledge she gained from just observing others is working to some level.

Who are we to put a value on it? That is, unless you're a governmental official yourself?

Sir, I'm not much for snippets nor aimless chit chat.

You seem to have a large, passonate heart. Hillary should be flattered and I'm sure she smiles contently at the strength of your commitment. You seem to have embraced her one-liners blindly. And unfortunately, your large, passionate heart seems to dwarf that "thinking tool between your ears".

Either you are not Christian or you have not listened to your minister, priest or bible thumping neighbor. It's amazing that you highlight homophobia in a christian church as unusual in any way. Which bible have you READ?

You do know that christian rhetoric and passages from the bible are usually hostile, if not dismissive, of your homosexual activity? Is it different in your church :)

And if you agree that same sex love or marriage is both preached and gossiped about unfavorably in your temple of worship, did you stay a christian?, or even a member of your congregation?, despite your obvious objection to their not-so-subtle assaults on people who choose to show or hide their same sex love attractions?

"Let us get real...as we pray".

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Now, your admitted sources of accurate information tell us all that hillary followers are older white women and the "working class", i.e.lower-educated white citizens, i.e., who chose not to go to college.

Obviously...... you are not an older woman?

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Credentials and experience of past presidents is all over the charts. The one key and critical standard is the caliber of the presidential cabinet.

Look at recent memory, for example. Bush the son, a former party person with a penchant for drugs and alcohol mixed with money, had no experience when elected governor over the very experienced Ann Richards in Texas. That goes double as he was put in office as president and remains there today. America has not died, yet. And do you feel safe?

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McCain. Another party person who was in the bottom tier of his naval academy class. AND subsequently held captive with countless other Americans in a futile war. Who knows what he and all other others had to endure, physically, emotionally and sexually to get through those soul marring years. And who can blame him and them for their fits of anger and "rogue-like demeanors" on life. Of course he's not like other politicians on capital hill. He's pissed and still bitter.

Unfortunately, prisoner of War status does not qualify him for the presidency. And If anything, childhood and adult abuse, including emotional torture, should give us pause as we consider these individuals for presidential placement. It's not their fault, I know. It's just unfortunate that we really need high-end sanity and emotional stability on the part of the brain that controlls the finger next to the "red button" of human destruction.

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Now.. you ask "What has Barack OBAMA accomplished?"

Experienced American life from several perspectives: experience in helping others heal their social wounds: experience as a leader and a fighter on Capital Hill: experience in the struggle to excel thru his differences and demographics: experience in achieving the usually unachievable in high end academics at the highest-end academic institutions; brilliant in his thinking, accepting of his humanity; loving his country, other countries, and other peoples of the world as well.

OBAMA IS... Willing to engage in dialogue to resolve war games of the past, present and future. One major accomplishment: He has mobilized and given hope to millions of Americans who had little or none at all for most of their adult lives. He represents a cross section of the vast american population... on a number of distinct levels. He is not what has always been. And...

When he speaks, others listen.

Ever tried really listening to John McCain?? WHAT do you remember him saying?

Yes. I like to make a point of emphasizing it for the benefit of those who are living under a rock and may not be aware that Sen. B. Hussein Obama was raised a Muslim.
Remember them? The folks that attacked New York in 2001. Yes, that was all a result of George W. Bush - his family's oil interests - his stealing the 2001 election - and his using the control of the U.S. military said stolen presidency afforded him to continue fighting the personal grudge-match his father had going with Saddam Hussein.
But regardless of Bush and 9/11, let's not forget that Al-Quaeda have repeatedly threatened to take the U.S. since 9/11 from within.

It's not a race issue against Obama. It has nothing to do with his lack of experience. Nor does it have to do with campaign promises that could never possibly be fulfilled. But his Muslim ties make me uncomfortable.
Oh wait - he claims to be a former Muslim.
But hasn't he now also rejected and condemned the preachings of Jeremiah Wright (who is suspiciously no longer a member of Obama's African American Religious Leadership Committee)?
Seems Obama's religious beliefs swing back & forth with his see-sawing in the polls.

IMHO this is not the time in our country's (and the world's) history to be taking a chance on a (allegedly former?) Muslim for the office of leader of the free world. That'd be a train wreck waiting to happen.

I said it before:
Another 4 years of Repuglican corporate-pandering and economy decimation is not acceptable.
Barack Hussein Obama as prez is not acceptable either.
Hillary is the man for the job.

Unless all these people choose to devalue their votes AFTER THE NOMINATION ( I'm assuming that you realize that a general election would occur after the nominee has been chosen, and since this discussion proposes that Hillary loses the nomination) why would all these REGISTERED DEMOCRATS not vote for the D-E-M-O-C-R-A-T-I-C nominee? I can think of ONE reason, but we're probably not supposed to say that on this forum either!!!! GTFOH!

I think the REAL problem with an Obama hater from SC has nothing to do with anything but not voting for a Black man, pure and simple. Truman wound up being a revered president and he had no experience beforehand and was the owner of a men's clothing store. It has to do with Obama being black for the SC lad (Boy next door? Can't remember the moniker)

If Obama wins the Democratic nomination, he'll have plenty of time before Election Day to tell voters that he's been "a member of the same church, the same Christian church, for almost 20 years"--enough, I'm sure, to reach all but the most willful bigots (who probably wouldn't vote for him anyway). Ahh but then it will be the evil Rev. Wright who we saw a 20 second snippet of a sermon played endlessly through the 24 hr news cycle.

A good one for Mr. NJ:

Indecision 2008 - West Virginia | The Daily Show | Comedy Central

Do you listen to yourself? That's like saying "I don't want a gay president because he's going to make the world gay! OH NOEZ!"

Besides, Obama is not a muslim. His White grandmother raised him to be a muslim? You're a bigot in the highest sense. You shame yourself in more ways that you perceive.

Dude. When'd I kill your mother?

The was weeks ago and since I've already said that McCain has lost my vote regardless. What's your problem or do we practice selective reading?