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Originally Posted by pronatalist Those who claim there is no God, are in error. What's the verse that says, The fool has said in his heart, there is no God? But maybe this is the

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Old 05-15-2008   #61 (permalink)
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Those who claim there is no God, are in error.

What's the verse that says, The fool has said in his heart, there is no God?

But maybe this is the answer you were looking for? I read claims of even people who say they are athiest, still favoring population growth and large families, for the good of families, and more in general, furthering the progress of the human race.

Believing in God helps, but not every argument for the natural increase of the human race, hinges so closely upon "faith" and belief in God. I also see an enormous runup in human population numbers, as a very likely necessary prerequisite to colonizing more worlds, if ever. For we aren't anywhere near ready, and it would take quite a lot of naturally population-driven technology expansion, if ever to get there, which I doubt will happen anyway. Metaphorically speaking, the baby must grow bigger, before it's more ready to emerge from the womb. Likewise, the human race must "outgrow" the earth, if ever to escape it somehow for long. Yeah, we may have put a man on the moon some 50 years ago, but those astronauts soon rebounded right back to live on the earth again.
I didn't ask you to go off on a colonizing other worlds tangent or to quote scriptures to me, I asked a simple question. You refused to answer it. That speaks volumes.
 
Old 05-15-2008   #62 (permalink)
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Did you want the long list, or the short list, of not-necessary "religious" reasons to multiply?

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I didn't ask you to go off on a colonizing other worlds tangent or to quote scriptures to me, I asked a simple question. You refused to answer it. That speaks volumes.
What part didn't I answer? I said that people who claim not to believe in God, are wrong. And don't nonbelievers have natural reproductive urges as well, that must have some proper natural outlet for? Even our genes, urges, or nature around us, tells us if we would be wise enough to listen, that the already "huge" human race, is supposed to be growing.

So there are many practical reasons why I am quite supportive of welcoming natural family growth throughout the world, and whatever urban sprawl and development as may be needed to better support it. As there gets to be more people throughout the world, there logically needs to be or be found or made, all the more places to put the people. So I advocate allowing overall human population density to rise naturally as well.

You have to believe in something? Right? It helps to believe in God, but there are other reasons still, to allow for the natural increase of humanity. "The ways of nature" or of "simplicity," or whatever one may want to call it. "Not standing in the way of progress." "Let go and let God." "Grow or die." Letting the human race beautifully "blossom" in size so that all the more people may experience life.
 
Old 05-15-2008   #63 (permalink)
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Wow what a great mother!

in germany they would get 3,600 EUR (5,450 US$) per month from the goverment called "Kindergeld" what about in usa?

and if they would be jobless they would get 5,320 EUR (8,190 US$) called "Grundsicherung".

so they would get 13,640 US$
 
Old 05-15-2008   #64 (permalink)
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Great people, should be reproducing all the more people, to benefit more people and contribute to the world.

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Wow what a great mother!

in germany they would get 3600 EUR (5450 US$) per month from the goverment called "Kindergeld" what about in usa?
I don't consider myself "better" than my children, so I would not want to "take precautions" to prevent them from possibly coming to life.

I do rather suspect that future generations would not mind being larger and more populous than those before, because how else could they all live?

A year ago, some guy at the Walk For Life said that they have 4 children and don't use any birth control.

I have long advocated for the natural flow of human life unhindered, as rampant contraceptive pushing is anti-life, anti-freedom, and causing or contributing to quite a lot of problems. Humans weren't even designed to use any means of "birth control," and we should be naturally multiplying our numbers, for the greater good of the many anyway.

Besides, large families are cool, for numerous and practical reasons. And large families have long been the historical norm.
 

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