Who does Canada think it is?

diesel82

wow didn't realise that the USA STILL had the death penalty. Thought they only did that in those backwards countries that america is intent on saving/destroying.

senor rubirosa

Hypoc8, you didn't answer facedowndeep's question.
If you don't think it's a country's business to dictate how another country punishes its criminals ... then maybe you would return a gay Iranian to his country, where he might face death by stoning.
But I can't believe you would do that.
Would you?

Rubi

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"You teach a child to read, and he or her will be able to pass a literacy test." George W Bush, Townsend, Tennessee, 21st February 2001

"Any post you make remains infinitely preferable to a mouthful of urine." Alex8 in complimentary mode to the Rubester, Baden-Wuerttemberg, 18th July, 2007

Gillette

[quote=njqt466;1467395]Can I count NAFTA?

Too much powdered sugar prevent your boys from catching him on your side of the border?

The best a man can get.

senor rubirosa

That doesn't materially change the factor of his being in Canadian custody.

Rubi

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"You teach a child to read, and he or her will be able to pass a literacy test." George W Bush, Townsend, Tennessee, 21st February 2001

"Any post you make remains infinitely preferable to a mouthful of urine." Alex8 in complimentary mode to the Rubester, Baden-Wuerttemberg, 18th July, 2007

diesel82

[quote=Gillette;1467409]hehehehe

davec94

Canada would be defeating their own moral position on the death penalty if they were to send him back to be executed. Canada does not have the right to dictate what punishment the US levies on its own citizens, but it does have the right, even under their extradition treaty with the US, to not give the person up to the US if the punishment would be grossly beyond the sentence the criminal would recieve in Candada.
So in the end, you don't have to abide by Canada's laws, but Canada wont give this guy to you if you are going execute him. Don't like it? Declare war and take him by force, otherwise this.
The US decided to forego the death penalty, Canada only made it a condition for extradition, a condition which is well known to the Americans because they were there negotiating the treaty.

senor rubirosa

Please ... until January of next year, there are certain ideas we don't want to export south.
(j/k)

Rubi

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"You teach a child to read, and he or her will be able to pass a literacy test." George W Bush, Townsend, Tennessee, 21st February 2001

"Any post you make remains infinitely preferable to a mouthful of urine." Alex8 in complimentary mode to the Rubester, Baden-Wuerttemberg, 18th July, 2007

senor rubirosa

It's in the OP, phe.

Rubi

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"You teach a child to read, and he or her will be able to pass a literacy test." George W Bush, Townsend, Tennessee, 21st February 2001

"Any post you make remains infinitely preferable to a mouthful of urine." Alex8 in complimentary mode to the Rubester, Baden-Wuerttemberg, 18th July, 2007

pierre66

This discussion in summary:

Canada 1 - USA 0

I think its ashame that you get these idiots south of the border who get all aggravated because their favourite gun just broke and their house got re-possessed, and they can't afford to pay for a heart transplant cause of their lack of National Health Service and their KFC based diet, that they come on here and use the only thing they've got left; being patriotic.

I know plenty of educated Americans who whole heartedly agree with eradicating the death penalty.

ManlyBanisters

That kind of rhetoric doesn't really help elevate the discussion, though, does it, Pierre?

marleyisalegend

nope, those backwards countries that america is intent on destroying is actually where we get most of our policies, economically, judicially, etc... don't you know that the US has to read their enemies handbook before we destroy them, where else would we get our latest policies from?? i'm not anti-american obviously being one myself but the hypocrisy of my country is so obvious it almost scares me that some don't recognize it.

......i don't wanna have to eat lettuce. those stupid bags of spring mix PISS ME OFF.....


i know you've taken to wearing your father's hand-me-down anger, but i wish that you wouldn't it's a few sizes too big and everyone can see it doesn't fit you, makes you look silly, hangs loose in all the wrong places, even if it does match your skin color.....

phe1249

Pierre.. again. Fuck You. I dont want to see your cheap frog self in Fla this winter complaining about how much the early bird dinner special is either. Also when your seniors have health issues do not send them to our hospitals because your National Health coverage doesnt pay.. sticking those of us who do with the bill.

The fact of the matter is the United States is a soverign Nation. There are borders and laws. How we choose to handle the crimes and punishment of your citizens is our business not yours.

As for KFC diets.. I understand your frustration and how you must throw simple insults.. after all your just a meaningless group of loyalist that chose the wrong side and only has a place in the world playing field because most of your population lives along our border.

phe1249

[quote=Gillette;1467409][quote=njqt466;1467395]

Can I count NAFTA?


Nafta is so history once our election is over...

senor rubirosa

You don't get the point. So is Canada, when holding someone whom another nation wishes to extradite.

Debatable and a pretty cheap remark that does your country no honor.
If you deplore 'simple insults,' then don't throw them yourself.
(I'm not really defending Pierre, who's going a little overboard himself.)

Not at all, phe. You've just seen a little posturing on that issue on your side of the border.
You'll see.

Rubi

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"You teach a child to read, and he or her will be able to pass a literacy test." George W Bush, Townsend, Tennessee, 21st February 2001

"Any post you make remains infinitely preferable to a mouthful of urine." Alex8 in complimentary mode to the Rubester, Baden-Wuerttemberg, 18th July, 2007

dong20

Well, if one defines terrorism according to the US State Department, terrorism is:

"Premeditated, politically motivated violence perpetrated against noncombatant* targets by subnational groups or clandestine agents, usually intended to influence an audience."

* This includes civilians and crucially, off duty military personnel.

I'd say there's wiggle room for making a case, of a sort.

Actually that list is far from complete. However the US is also a member of a shrinking but far more despicable club.

Since 2000, only five countries in the world are known to have executed juvenile offenders: China, Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC), Iran, Pakistan, and the United States. Pakistan and China have abolished the juvenile death penalty, but there have been problems in nationwide compliance with the law. - Amnesty International.

I digress.

Pouting aside, the US needs to ask itself how would justice be best served in this case? Dig in its heels and see the man go free (he had committed no crime in Canada, presumably) or accept that US law does not trump Canadian law, see him extradited and punished to the full extent of US law short of execution?

Which scenario do you imagine the relatives of his victim would prefer, and ultimately that's important too, isn't it?

The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth. ~ Niels Bohr