Moral Relativism

CaligulaKant · 05-07-2008

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Originally Posted by Mademoiselle Rouge

I knew you were referring to me, thats why i asked. My childhood, background, family values, parents, personality and sexual proclivities make me who i am. Just as yours make you who you are. It's human to have some sort of judgement in areas of our lives. I dont think you can remove judgement from the human mind.

I am a very sexual person, I am not 100% straight and i participate in fetish. What i don't like is incest being portrayed as something totally natural and mainstream porn making women out to be whores, sluts and cumbuckets. I've seen 500 "Sluts for Hire" videos on Xtube today alone.

I think most of my opinions are pretty accepting. If incest or an obvious humiliation factor towards women strike a nerve with you i am willing to accept that. As what i believe is not what everyone believes. I would not have jumped out and posted the Sluts and Whores thread if i didn't feel that most straight men and women didn't agree with me.

I was not trying to be contriversial intentionally rather than to run my ideas of what i was compiling from what i was seeing in the professional industry as of late. I spend too many hours watching porn of all sorts from things that are pretty softcore to things i care not to mention here because it might freak some people out.

I have no problem admitting that my views might not hold water with everyone here but i am quite thoughtful in my posts that inquire the opinions of others. I don't create new threads all the time just to keep the conversation going. If i am truly bothered by something i see time and time again i will run it by the people i can talk to about it. As i can't just pick up the phone and have this conversation with my mom or grandma.

LPSG is a sounding board for many of us. We find out if we are alone in our thoughts on an issue or if a majority feels the way we do which makes us all feel a little bit better to know we aren't losing our mind.

Again, I love your writing... If a woman wants to be demeaned and it is HER philia (not that unusual IMO) then it should be accepted. Obviously the vast majority of videos of his nature are "exploitive", yet not ALL are. Subsequently , I feel that this is a fetish that is , though frequently disturbing to many, a sexual outlet that cannot be judged on the effect it has solely on its male viewers. As to incest, that is purely a societal judgment based mostly upon outdated religious and genetic concerns. If a incestuous relationship occurs between consenting partners , what harm is there, as compared to the harm any other complex relationship can inflict upon it's participants. If one is worried about genetically weak progeny as a result of such a relationship , then you are totally missing the point, and ,IMO, more than a little retarded yourself. (Not a response to you in particular...)

nooby · 05-07-2008

I think it's more of a "tribal" thing than any expression of intolerance although there is undoubtedly some of that, too; this place can't be totally removed from our larger culture.

Mademoiselle Rouge · 05-07-2008

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Originally Posted by CaligulaKant

Again, I love your writing... If a woman wants to be demeaned and it is HER philia (not that unusual IMO) then it should be accepted. Obviously the vast majority of videos of his nature are "exploitive", yet not ALL are. Subsequently , I feel that this is a fetish that is , though frequently disturbing to many, a sexual outlet that cannot be judged on the effect it has solely on its male viewers. As to incest, that is purely a societal judgment based mostly upon outdated religious and genetic concerns. If a incestuous relationship occurs between consenting partners , what harm is there, as compared to the harm any other complex relationship can inflict upon it's participants. If one is worried about genetically weak progeny as a result of such a relationship , then you are totally missing the point, and ,IMO, more than a little retarded yourself. (Not a response to you in particular...)

While i dont want to continue the incest thread into this one as i've pretty much stated all i can really say on the issue. I'll always believe that about incest. There is something that leaves bad taste in the mouths of many when it comes to those who are adults and actually partake of sex with family members, for what ever reasons.

None the less, the keyword you used that i should have put in my original post is "exploit" as it explains better what the industry has done to women, men and humiliation. There is no doubt a man could cum from being humiliated if that really was his turn on, vice versa, but i have no doubt that most of the barely legal women who participate in this genre of adult vids arent inclined to get aroused by it. There are so many vid samples cranked out everyday than more than makes up for the percentage of women who would truly enjoy this. I'm using speculative logic here honestly.

I might generalize in my verbosity, but i truly speak for a majory and never assume that i speak for all people. LPSG reminds us a million times a day about cultural and sexual diversity. We all obviously have different flavors so to speak. I can respect that. It's the mere exploitation i dont respect about the industry. It's a tad insulting to my intelligence, and probably many others here would agree that they feel a little silly watching it at times.

There is a whole different world of fetish participants in the privacy of their bedrooms than what is reflected in video. Their intelligence is often incredible and their research on their particular philia is immense. I can respect them for their devotion and understanding of psychophysiology.

I'm sorry to have to be the subject of the thread that broke your silence around here, as i see you've been a member here longer than i have. But once again, we can come to reason and realize we might stand on opposite shores, but we can both see the water.

CaligulaKant · 05-07-2008

Mademoiselle Rouge your response cleared up some of my misunderstandings regarding your earlier posts. I , in actuality, tend to agree with you on most things you feel the desire to respond to. You are , by no means, someone whom I actually have a problem with here. Your responses are thoughtful and quite frequently piercing to the point . The reason for my starting this thread was more to do with the many inane responses to controversial subjects. It tires me to read the chatter of the schoolyard emanating from adults. Were it to be that all posters were as much a joy to read as yourself, I would never have reason to post such a fishing expedition as this thread actually is. Thanks again for your responses.

Mademoiselle Rouge · 05-07-2008

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Originally Posted by CaligulaKant

Mademoiselle Rouge your response cleared up some of my misunderstandings regarding your earlier posts. I , in actuality, tend to agree with you on most things you feel the desire to respond to. You are , by no means, someone whom I actually have a problem with here. Your responses are thoughtful and quite frequently piercing to the point . The reason for my starting this thread was more to do with the many inane responses to controversial subjects. It tires me to read the chatter of the schoolyard emanating from adults. Were it to be that all posters were as much a joy to read as yourself, I would never have reason to post such a fishing expedition as this thread actually is. Thanks again for your responses.

I'm a firm believer in conversation. Some people don't talk about things when they get angry, some of us just don't know when to shut up i guess. Either way, i've always said that talking about our feelings aloud to someons and bouncing ideas around tend to get relevations flowing. I think there is a cyclic thing with LPSG, whether related to the moon phases, seems to bring about some tension.

I do feel like a Mommy getting bombarded with 90 questions from her child (which i deal with on a regular basis) and i tune it out for a while and all of a sudden let my frustrations out about it when it comes to repetitive thread topics. Then i realize that so many of my questions and inquiries were probably just as repetitive to the veterans around here.

I'll be signing off for the day with this conclusion as i've been up way too long involved in the drama. But it has given me a lot to ponder on and a new understanding of my fellow man (and males for that matter). I have an immense respect for those willing to think about what i pose here and come back at me with their own perspective. For life gets boring if everyone agrees with us all time.

I'm off to try to get some sleep now. Please give us more of your thoughts as feedback because i enjoy reading your posts as well.

Phil Ayesho · 05-07-2008

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Originally Posted by CaligulaKant

hmmm, how to respond to you... I've read many of your posts since you are reasonably articulate and have useful input on the discussions you enter... yet you tend to be less accepting of some of the less mainstream diversions. It's ok to disagree with a persons fetish/philia, but to extend it to an explanation as to why they are wrong in their beliefs is the problem I have with many of the responses I see here.Who is anyone here to judge anyone on their sexuality. Any judgment at all as to the appropriateness of any sexual behavior is anathema to the idea of free and open sexuality. correct me if Im wrong.

you are wrong.

There is nothing about this site I am aware of that promotes "free and open sexuality".

I think you would find that folks wanting to post their pedophiliac fantasies or NAMBLA manifestos would get shut down pretty damn quick if for no other reason than to keep the owners of the site out of jail.

Somethings ARE over the line... Snuff, sex with children, rape, and probably, incest...

This has nothing to do with being accepting of alternate sexualities...

It has to do with not accepting any behavior that is harmful to others or with which others are not fit to give consent.

Sorry... but sexuality is not FREE when it involves others...

homelessmandril · 05-07-2008

what if tolerance of extreme or minority viewpoints/predilections is itself a morally relativistic (or even transient) notion? would we have this instinct that individual freedoms are of value per se but for two-thousand years of indoctrination in a particular strain of classical philosophy? If the prevailing consensus IS that deviancy should be allowed, that consensus is always vulnerable to collapse.

should we not also be mindful that a great many advances in science and ethics have arisen in defiance of conventional wisdom? Darwin would not have arrived at the theory of evolution had he felt constrained by contemporary morality, for example.

then again, couldn't it be argued that the strength of Christianity today is derived from it's moral anachronisms? Or in the notion that some moral precepts are invariant to context? Isn't dogma both a comfort and an impediment?

a paradox perhaps? or just a stupid question*. you decide**.

*or series of stupid questions
** don't decide, i'm oversensitive.

marleyisalegend · 05-07-2008

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Originally Posted by Phil Ayesho

you are wrong.

There is nothing about this site I am aware of that promotes "free and open sexuality".

I think you would find that folks wanting to post their pedophiliac fantasies or NAMBLA manifestos would get shut down pretty damn quick if for no other reason than to keep the owners of the site out of jail.

Somethings ARE over the line... Snuff, sex with children, rape, and probably, incest...

This has nothing to do with being accepting of alternate sexualities...

It has to do with not accepting any behavior that is harmful to others or with which others are not fit to give consent.

Sorry... but sexuality is not FREE when it involves others...

phil its getting kinda scary that i keep agreeing with you on things, i wonder if this heralds the apocalypse. j/p. anyhow, your thread was DEAD ON. i never criticize anyone for their fetishes or sexuality, but personally i have nothing good to say about the things you mentioned in your post, rape (yes there have been a few threads boasting "rape" videos, incest, etc... one thing i'm at fault for along with a few other posters is using our own logic and ideals to imply that somebody else's might be wrong. life rarely ever works out that way.

westy30004 · 05-07-2008

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Originally Posted by CaligulaKant

By the nature of this site one is going to come across people of many differing sexual persuasions...

Why is it then that so many of you "frequent" posters would bother to be on such a forum if you cannot accept those said same sexualities.

Being conservative in any way regarding sexuality and coming on sites like this is sort of an oxymoron to me.

Either accept it all or find somewhere else to post.

Essentially....you are tolerent of everyone....except those that might disagree with you, huh?

Moral Relativism

Originally Posted by Mademoiselle Rouge I knew you were referring to me, thats why i asked. My childhood, background, family values, parents, personality and sexual proclivities make me who i am. Just as yours make