"Sluts" and "Whores"

That's a very interesting and though provoking post, MR.

It's a reflection of the times we live in. My dad "read" Penthouse and Playboy, and the women would be posed--not always spread wide open--and sometimes there'd be guy in the pictures but flaccid. I could be wrong but I don't believe those magazines showed erections.

It's hard to believe but men actually got off on that. But I say that in jest. They did get off on it. Seeing naked women wasn't something that was that easily accessible. I wonder if a man in this day and age would even get an erection looking a Playboy and Penthouse? Maybe for a day or two and then get bored. Many guys are numb now to pictures of naked women. Vaginal and oral sex and maybe even anal sex have become passee. What's next?

The problem is with the touch of a few keys, a 16 year old can be viewing sex acts. That was unheard of 20 years ago. By the time he's 18, vaginal, oral, and anal might be too tame, and it's time to move onto something more intense, if you will. The women becomes the victim. He tells her, "All the girl are doing this. What's wrong with you?" She can either go along with it, or refuse and possibly get dumped. But I have a lot of faith in men, and I think the majority of them don't require most of what you described in your first post.


That's very true. Nobody's being held at gunpoint to watch it, but in the same respect, men, especially young men who watch that junk think that's real life. Women into all of that stuff are few and far between.

Yikes is right! What happens when you run out of everything to do? Everything becomes vanilla and you have to go to more extreme measures. At one time you probably thought what you're doing now was extreme, and now it's just "another day at the office."

That could very well be the case. I personally can't be thrown into that categorical (did i just make that word up?) possibility. I'll explain why- i have an extraordinarily small vagina that would pair up much better with an average sized man. Why i am here then? Because back in September 2007 i got tired of tearing with sex and chronic bladder infections from having an extra girthy husband and google chose my fate here at lpsg.

While a large penis can be very visually pleasing....i get a ton of them subscribing to my Xtube page ironically...but strangely i also like to see average and below average men in porn because i don't see it much anymore.

Sorry, I don't believe you. I don't believe that you have approached a number of Black males in various contexts and had a discussion with them about their feelings towards women and whether women have disrespected and mistreated them. You would need to speak to a rather large number to start making such generalizations and I don't believe that that many Black men would share their thoughts with you. I'm a Black male and I've grown up with around Black men and I don't hear them speaking about being disrespected and mistreated by Black women. Maybe disrespected by other Black men or mistreated by White men but not Black women.

I would imagine that I would have more experience and knowledge with this than you but maybe not. You seem to be an expert when it comes to how women mistreat and disrespect men. I think you think all men think just like you and we don't. Many of us have had great relationships with women and if we have had relationships that don't work out, they are no different than anything else. Represent yourself and your own distorted views, please don't presume to be a spokesperson for Black men or women.

Where does that come from? I think people become size queens from personal experience. If you are with someone who is larger than average and it fits well or gets you more excited, you are more apt to want that again. With porn, all the dicks look more or less the same size--few gigantic or few small and the cock is usually within something. So I really doubt that porn is influencing women to be size queens or thinking when they meet a guy, wow, he isn't as big as Ron Jeremy.

Go to the member introduction section and read half the intros from the females. Many have never experienced anyone above average. Case in point.

Yeah, which is why I think the term size queen is distorted for women. I don't think there are that many true size queen women. In fact, I thought this term only applied to gay and bi men who look for larger cocks, because it's always seemed to me that men are more focused on cock size than most women.

I guess it could count as "something being wrong with the person," but I think it's more a simple matter of immaturity than any deep psychological issue. Someone else (MR, I think) mentioned codependency, and there's usually some of that involved, but the females I've seen who tend to migrate towards the jerks & bad boys tend to have a deficient self-image--they don't think they deserve better, and as MR already said, they don't think they can chance dumping his sorry ass because they don't think anyone better would want them. The good news is, these females eventually get over it after they grow up a bit.

That's another thing. You wouldn't be seeing these trends in porn developing if there weren't a plethora of willing young female participants. How low has the average young woman's self-esteem dropped when you've got thousands of websites with 100 models each on them willing to do all sorts of things just for money? (And that's where Koz and MR's discussion got lively--there's a huge difference between doing something you want to to with someone whom you want to do it with vs. doing it with a total stranger for a paycheck) Along with everything else we've discussed, there's the issue of so many girls over the past couple of decades have grown/are growing up without a dad in the house to teach her how a real man is supposed to act. Much the same, you've got a lot of boys who aren't being taught how they're supposed to act, either.

your perception is skewed by pornography. Case in point, most new female members are men.



shes with an alpha male, he always gets what he wants. Most guys are happy to get a finger in the door.


edit: I only say this, because I am getting really tired of women complaining about the way alpha males have treated them, and calling themselves "victims". How is she a "victim"? what would be wrong with getting dumped by a a guy like that?


Believe me, get a short, skinny geek with glasses, he isn't going to demand anal, and tell you all the other girls do it.

go out with some hunky 6' 2" son of a millionaire.... and expect him to say anything to get what he wants, and expect to get dumped if you don't. Thems the breaks.

That is so true, I believe Women are becoming other women's worst enemies in our society. What ever happened to womens rights to be what they choose, if they CHOOSE to be a stripper, or a prostitute, then it was THEIR CHOICE, if they CHOOSE to be a laywer, doctor, or other professional, it was THEIR CHOICE.

I want to focus on this statement. Not because I want to pick on you, New End, but I see two trains of thought in this thread. There are women who insist on playing victim needlessly and it does get old after a while. However...

First thought: You're saying women complain about the treatment they receive from alpha males and they should expect that treatment. There are no victims.

Second thought: Phil Ayesho claims that American women are calling the shots and bully men into doing whatever it is they want. In other words, there are no alpha males left.

Does anyone else see the disparity or is it just me?

Our biggest problem is that we don't support each other. We're taught to be competitive with each other for a man's attention, job, etc. I have actually heard an older man say that it's easier for men when women are fighting with each other because if they aren't fighting with each other, they're plotting against men.

Sad, eh?

Women have the choice to do whatever they want sexually with the skinny geek or the hunky millionaire. By using the word victim, I wasn't using it in the context of say a "rape victim". I was stressing that porn shows acts that many people would be totally unaware of otherwise, as M. Rogue mentioned in her first post. You like to do some of those things, so you are going to defend them. What does calling a women names, spitting on her or choking her have to do with sex? Nothing. Sex is supposed to be about enjoyment, not treating someone worse than you'd treat your dog.


That's all true for men and women. Have you read the many posts by men who feel their penises define them? There are quite a few of them who look at pics of other guys or read about their sizes and suddenly feel their 6 or 7 incher is inferior. Men are equally becoming each other's worst enemies.

It's downright pathetic!

I sure do.

I actually agree with Phil on this one, to a large extent - and it isn't just black men, it's men in general.

Very, VERY overused example - but look at modern advertising. If there is a male character and a female character in the commerical which one is clever and knows what to do and which one is stupid? Further more , in family sitcoms which parent is usually the together clever one and which one is a but stupid / goofy / in need of moral guidance?

And that's just the tip of the iceberg - in the last 50 or so years men have been told they have to change, but not what they have to change into, or how. I think that this agressive, demeaning type of porn is at least partly related to that.

I don't see the disparity the same way. It just seems like to different views of people's personal experience. The one guy sees the world as jocks versus nerds, where the girls gravitate towards the jocks who treat them like crap and the nerds would worship them if given a chance. I would imagine that he sides with the latter group and feels passed over. This might work in high school but as you get older, the nerds run the companies and make the money and women eventually gravitate towards security and stability over good hair.

Phil sees the world as Amazons versus eunuchs, in which women dominate and set the agenda. Phil lives on a different planet than the rest of us. But most likely he was in a relationship in which he feels the woman ruled the roost and he was powerless to get out.

What's common is that both groups see to blame women for their various misfortunes instead of examining their own actions and behaviors. For example, if the nerd is too shy to speak to a woman, how can she get to know him?

Btw, I'm not saying the nerd poster is in fact a nerd, just what his writing is suggesting.

Great thread, Mme Rouge. I find the misogynistic trends in porn to be a complete turn-off too. Even if a woman asked me to disrespect her as part of a roleplay I would find it very difficult and distracting. As you pointed out, it seems to be a trend in several areas of modern culture, especially hip-hop/rap, where it's all "shorty" and "bitch" and "ho".

Some people seem to have forgotten that there is a distinction between mutually consented power plays and a contemptuous disrespect for the opposite gender.