"Sluts" and "Whores"

What thread are you posting in? Why do you care about whats going on in a womens thread? I wouldnt be posting about the repulsiveness of gay people in a gay thread.

Way to dodge every point I made in my post Rouge and go straight to an ad hominem attack. Time and time again, I've stated I am in a monogamous relationship, and if the type of sex we enjoy is "whoremongering" the same can be said about you. There are plenty of women who consider anal sex demeaning towards women. So we can go ahead and lump you into the same group as the pornographers. Whether its cock slapping or fucking in the ass, the only difference as to the level of degridation is a matter of third party perception.

The whole "I'm right and you're wrong because my opinion is more valid than anyone else's" is a lame and ineffective stratagem to win an argument.

What a bunch of garbage… who made you the spokesperson and authority for other people?

Who are you to say how many guys can cum on a girl before it “disgusting”?

What’s an “insane” insertion???? Insane for whom, you???!!!!

Come on; get real… some people (both parties) actually like rough sex and some like bondage, as well as S&M….

Perhaps its you with the issues here….

Yeah apparently I'm a whoremonger for me and my gf liking rough sex. Rouge doesn't have "issues" she's obviously just the moral authority for the entire world. We should accept that and move on.

Oh and guess what, I treat my gf better than any man has ever treated her, in and out of the bedroom, and she treats me better than any other woman has ever done so as well.

I'm not misogynistic (unless that means disagreeing with the OP), I don't hate women, I just dislike all self righteous jerks who think their opinion is inherently correct and everyone else's is wrong. Two words: consenting adults.

That was funny to read both of your posts.

I suppose if someone didn't like it they wouldnt be making it. I have the right to talk about my own opinion about pornography i could care less what you subscribe to in your bedroom.

Kochanski here does way more than both of you boys would dream of in the bedroom, she understands where i am coming from because she can see past her own dick.

It's good that you found women that love verbal disrespect during sex, someone has to. I am very thankful i married a man who finds it a turn off. He hates mainstream porn anymore. We used to enjoy it together until this shit became standard.

Javyn you turned the issue all about you and your girlfriend and not about the original topic. Your the one with the personal problem.

NO, you are the one who started flinging insults and accusations of misogyny because my opinion differed than yours on the subject. You have the right to talk about your opinion on the subject, and I have the right to tell you you are full of shit. You're the one who made it personal, not me.

You and your man get along well and don't like porn, or that type of porn. Fine, great, leave it at that. Don't watch what you don't like. That should have been the end of story, and this thread should never have really been started. The only purpose it could have is to 1) try to impose some self-righteous bullshit, or 2) outlet for whining about something that doesn't effect you anyway.

And Javyn, you have barely registered. You don't know me nor have you taken the time to read my almost 3,000 posts since Sept. 07. You are personally offended that i mentioned up what you and your girlfriend do in the bedroom. And im offended as a viewer that porn has rarely more to offer than that as if we all enjoy it.

Take time time to look back into my reputation before you assume anything about me. I've gotten to know a lot of people here personally and a lot of people read my posts from afar and send me cordial messages about it all the time. So if i were some moral authority on here i'd have a lot more enemies i assure you. I stand behind what i said and i always will.

And it does effect me, i get personal messages all the time on my xtube account where guys assume that can call me slut and whore because thats what they are used to seeing being the norm. I've cammed with guys i will never cam with because they went there and didnt even find out if i was ok with it.

Step outside of your little world and see the perspective of someone else. I'm quite good at doing that.

I don't need to read 2,000 posts to see what you're all about. This thread did it for me well enough.

Because the dog that got hit YELPED. End of story.

Javyn and Magnum
Sorry, but the two of you, in the manner of your post, are the ones coming off as self righteous jerks.

To suggest that there is an increasingly obvious undercurrent of misogyny in porn, or treating women disrepectfully, is NOT to suggest that YOU are guilty individually.


It seems whenever someone writes a thoughtful and insightful post discussing current cultural phenomena or trends... there are always gonna be a few people who obstinately assume that the finger is being pointed at EVERYONE... or that the finger is being pointed directly at THEM.

Speaking in generalizations about common cultural phenomena is NEVER an indictment of everyone. ITs an observation that a certain phenomenon has become so common that it has become identifiably a trend.

If I say, "wow, why is everybody buying SUVs these days?" You have to be some kind of idiot to angrily respond that, since YOU haven't bought an SUV, the OP is a both wrong and a jerk.

Intelligent adults can deal with the fact that ALL statements referring to humanity collectively are generalizations... and that all generalizations only describe a percentage of human behavior.
And they can do this without having to add strings of qualifiers to every damn sentence.

The OP is not condemning consensual S&M nor B&D. She is not questioning the right of women in the porn industry to make money doing these scenes.

She is pointing out that, if you compare porn over the past several decades, there seems to be a noticeable trend toward the women in the videos being treated more disrespectfully.

She is not saying John Holmes never slapped a woman with his dick...
She is saying that it has become a far more prevalent image.
Surely there were misogynistic males in the 1970's to whom some porn producers aimed their products.
She is saying that it seems to be a much larger market, today. And the imagery more extreme.

And many here have agreed.

In the 1970s I never saw a porn video where a man forcibly rammed his cock down a woman's throat to the point of making her puke.
Now its an entire genre of porn.

And, I will note, its specifically a fantasy involving women... I have never seen gay porn showing men throat fucking other men to the point of puking.

The OP and those who agree with her are not being self righteous jerks... they are dispassionately discussing a societal trend they have noticed and what might be the root cause of that trend.

If you are reacting so strongly... perhaps the OP hit a trifle too close to home?

No, what hits home is a thinly-veiled call for censorship.

This is why i love vintage porn. It was what i first was exposed to so i've personally seen the trend change. There is a category on efukt.com called "I'll never do porn again" and i cant believe how those guys can treat those women and keep an erection. They often have to console them after abusing them because they are in tears. It's truly bothersome to see how sites like sell porn like that even keep business. If that isnt misogyny, i don't know what is.

Phil, i appreciate you explaining exactly what my OP said but with your articulate spin on it. You are truly a gem around here even if some things you say don't go over well with others. I can appreciate your intelligence in psychology, you do have a way with words sir.

But i have a feeling the 2 people who had to have this post further explained to them as if 13 some odd pages didn't do that already, arent going to get what you are saying because they don't want to see it. It might mess up their fantasy of what most females dig.

You're kidding right? Surely that was a joke or your IQ is even less than we all thought for getting that message out of this thread. It's sad but funny.

Censorship my ass, i watch some pretty extreme stuff that i dont want taken off the market. What i dont like is how what used to be considered extreme is now MAINSTREAM. Go back and read it all again, you didnt pass!

PS- A key point is that porn imagery of women has become increasingly less respectful as women in real life have increasingly demanded more respect.


Men in this society no longer have a clear role. No longer have any clue as to what to do to attract a woman.

Used to be the man provided the money....
Today women largely provide their own... and without a real need for the working contribution of men... women, themselves, seem to be somewhat confused as to what they want from men.

...and so can not consistently tell men what they will have to do to satisfy them.

Its tragic, really. Men want and feel a need for women out of proportion to women's need for men.

The birth control pill has resulted in men becoming an accessory to a woman's life.
If only you gals were not so damn beautiful, desirable and delightful... perhaps it would not hurt so bad.

It's not enough that we want you and emotionally need you? You need us to materially need you too? Oh boy...