"Sluts" and "Whores"

I'll kindly ask you to not hijack this thread. It's been offtrack on this particular subject between the same several people for pages. If you want to post about the socio-economic issues of any particular race- start a thread about it.

He said plenty, not an exact number. If my math is correct, there would be at minimum, 5 million African-American men with college degrees.

It's not great but it could reasonably considered plenty by some.

hyper hulk i've sent u another PM, perhaps u and wyld could do the same, we've been off topic for about a page now, this high-jacking behavior sometimes discourages people from reading or even starting threads

ie a thread about weight issues turns into a 2-person argument about scientology. let's let somebody else have some shine

If we're going to be all statistical about things, and to solve this matter and get back to what the OP wanted to discuss, can you all please go count the number of white rappers, the number of black rappers, the number of white men in the movies being discussed, the number of black men in the movies being discussed, the race and gender of those producing/directing/casting the movies being discussed, then all of those mentioned above (save the rappers as that would be silly) who listen to and enjoy rap.. without all of that, you're posts are pretty meaningless to the argument you're currently hijacking the thread with.

Now where were we?

Porn is changing, and some people don't like it, I think that was it.

I had a conversation recently in PM which was rather insightful, it would seem that while two people can appear to be on complete opposite sides of a discussion, they can in fact, feel very similar about the topic. This conversation led to some thinking...

We all know that porn has changed, what was once "softcore" is appearing in shows such as Eastenders and other shows shown during the day time, what was once "hardcore" is now "softcore" and for most of us, until quite recently, "mainstream" has been our home, with the new "hardcore" being just too much.

I think the main issue, isn't what we're seeing (we can always watch something else) and it isn't what they call it, what words they use and so on, as I've said before, we all have our opinions and we all know how we feel about things, we don't need everyone to think the same as us, as long as we can understand our reasons and appreciate someone elses, then all is good. The main issue is the future.

When I was growing up, I still remember as a very curious young girl, stealing page 3 from the papers and hiding it under my pillow, for quite some time back then, that was more than enough. As I got older, it wasn't, it was "oh yeah, another pair of tits" and nothing much more... We all go through this, its part of growing up. With things moving at the pace they are though, the sexual activity on normal tele getting more and more explicit, and more mainstream porn getting harder and harder, how far are things going to get before we realise we've gone too far?

I do agree that it is having an affect on people in their every day lives, for those who were disrespectful before, it will reinforce their behaviour. I don't believe it MAKES people disrespect others, but it does give them a very nice excuse if they want one. For those who do respect others, it will reinforce why. There are many good and bad points of a lot of it. Taking myself as an example, it made it a lot easier for me to speak up about some of the things I like (though I've not shared those here) but at the same time, I know its made others feel pressured into doing things they aren't into.

I don't believe porn changes a person, it may well make them more honest about who they really are though.

Then that poses another question....would there be a change in the peoples requirements for mainstream that brought about this change we are seeing? Or did mainstream make a "fashion" statement first and then the people followed?

That is a very good question and i believe it would be both because depending on the person, either possibility could be right. For you, the desire was already there and you were able to launch your particular fetishes into another stratusphere. For others, they might not like it at first but grow acustomed to it and therefor require it. And for people like me, i didn't pay a lot of attention to it until i started to see it everywhere.

You bring up a lot for us to think about indeed Miss K.

I'm a 30 year-old white male married to a very sexy and freaky 36 year-old Asian female.

And she absolutely LOVES sucking cock. She slaps herself with my cock and deep throats it until she gags. Of course, I can fuck her throat all I want and cock slap her. She initiates it and truly gets off on it. Moans like crazy when she slaps herself with it.

And also I have called her a little slut before when she's doing it. It all depends on the mood. But I hear "I'll love that big cock so much" all the time. And I'm not offended.

And of course I'll tell her i love that tight pussy so much. Dirty talk can be fun. But in her case, she does love big cock. She's cum just from giving hand jobs, which she is absolutely amazing at. You can really see the lust in her eyes when she's stroking it and moaning.

Are we getting off on the "big dick, little Asian" thing. Probably. But its all in good fun as long as both enjoy it.

I'll put of my sexxxy little slut (joke) in my gallery for a limited time

Ah yes, now the good old chicken and egg question.

You're right, it probably was both. If enough people started watching harder stuff, then that would start making it more mainstream, meaning more people would start seeing it, and more people would start getting into it (either because they're seeing it more or because it now feels morally more acceptable)

In many ways its a wonderful thing, as long as we know when to stop. I'm not sure I want to be seeing an orgy in the middle of Eastenders, or Peggy Mitchell becoming a dominatrix any time soon

I said consensual.

I love how consensual turns to abuse and rape.

Women do have the power when it comes to consensual sex. If she doesn't want to, she doesn't have to. She doesn't even have ot be with the guy "but I love him!!"

When are we going to get to stop listening to this bullshit? "but I love him, he abuses me, but I love him! Pooor, Poor me!!! Don't counsel me to not be the victim, just empathize with me, so I can continue to be abused... here is $30 an hour. How can I live without a husband in this patriarchal society? Why, I might have to live in an apartment with the riff-raff!"



Yeah I have issues. You called sex I enjoy abusive.





blah, I'm not in the mood today to be insulted.


Damn straight. Get a glass of water yourself. You act like this is wrong.

Women aren't children, they are adults. They can leave. They choose not to for various social and economic reasons. I am about fucking tired of women pinning every problem in the world on men. This isn't the fifties, where it is impossible for a woman to get a good job.

I'm not going to comment on the rest of your post, for the simple reason, that I agree in part with a lot of what has been said, on both sides.

This section above though...

How about me? My ex had me LOCKED in the house for most of a year, I was beaten, raped and abused for his enjoyment and that of his friends. I didn't stay because I didn't want to be alone, or because I was ashmed, I stayed because I COULDN'T GET OUT.

Now sure, a lot of women, I've known plenty, stay for reasons best known to them, and not understood by most, but you make a very sweeping generalisation which angers those of us who know first hand that it isn't always true.

New End, go find a woman who enjoys it then. I'm not in the mood to insult you either. Some people float out of orbit which is their business. When they try to shove it down my throat all the time when i hate the idea of it, hell yeah im going to bring the issue up.

If i remember correctly you don't even enjoy sex or blowjobs and prefer to give her oral sex instead? No one is saying that is wrong, but its obviously not the norm for most guys. So a woman to thoroughly enjoy the things we see in mainstream isnt the norm for most women. I'm sure Kotchanski can admit she realizes she strays from the ordinary in a lot of ways.

I stray from the ordinary in a lot of ways. If someone got tired of seeing women with pixie haircuts in porn and missed the girls with long hair- i might just take offense to that too. Not everyone likes super short hair on women, i've heard it before. But frankly, i really don't care as long as i like it.

Back to the point here, you are very cut and dry and i've read a lot of your posts and you are typically argumentative, harsh and lack of empathy. I can appreciate that some people are more like that than others, but you probably havent been sexually abused, raped or assaulted. So your opinion is based on your own personal experience and no one elses. Talk to a person who knows more about the psychology behind these types of experiences. You are a man, have less to fear and with your personality probably do a good job of protecting your feelings from getting tied up which is often the precursor to "consentual" abuse you say doesn't exist.

We've spoken in PM when i first came along and you yourself admitted your point of view on sex and relationships being a tad different.

Also, your last paragraph shows your true intentions here. My mom got married at 16, dropped out of highschool and while she did eventually get out of a somewhat abusive marriage after 8 years with her 4 year old son....it took a lot to actually pay the rent and feed them both. You assume everyone has the ability and go make enough money to make it. What about the men who camp out on the street of the womans new place and threaten her? You have no idea outside of your own understanding.

Your talk about women thinking they are better than men more than shows how you justify your own misogynic tendencies. Anyone who knows me here, knows the immense respect i have for my husband and good men. I'd never condone any gender assuming they are better than any other. I have no idea what kind of women you've had in your life...i've not met many with that attitude.

Well I think it is only a problem if people confuse fantasy with reality. I find such "disrespectful" porn a turn on as a fantasy, both straight and gay, but I've never treated any girlfriend or boyfriend like that.

Admit it? I sing it from the roof tops

If we were all the same, there'd be no one to think I'm special, where's the fun in that?

who is trying to shove it down your throat?

well I love blow jobs.

And i Like shaved pussies too.

You have no idea what my early family life was like. But I bet it was far worse than you are imagining. ;)

got a quote for that? I didn't say they think they are better, I said they have all the power when it comes ot sex. Funny thing is, EVERYONE in the WORLD knows it's true. You ever see women paying men their hard earned money, for sex?

in short, I was raised in a matriarchal society. A religious cult headed by a woman, and run by women.

Sorry i was mistaken, sex was what you didnt enjoy doing. None the less, your female ran religious cult background explains why you think the way you do then.

I refuse to be lumped in with them. And if you read this thread, you'd see exactly where all of the "Slut for Hire" titles i'm seeing a hundred times a day is coming from. So they are in my face all the time. If you like porn you are forced to weed through that shit to find anything else you might like.

So you've never seen this nor heard of it? Born yesterday? From the sticks? (no offense, but usually women paying for dick is a big-town thing, and I've lived in the sticks too; I didn't get paid for dick till I lived here. Honey, exchange value is exchange value--you just have to do it with taste, as the cliche goes...but just a little poking around Park Avenue folklore would probably teach you a thing or two. Warning: Don't go there in person; the doorman will stop you and they want big exchange-value tips to compensate for breaking the gossip rules on the rich trash.)