05-06-2008
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#1 (permalink)
| | | What is it about incest? What is it that freaks people out? From a totally pragmatic point of view, as long as pregnancy and abuse are ruled out, why does the concept cause such revulsion in people? It's obviously cultural, not genetic, for if it were genetic then people would be automatically repulsed by the idea of sex with family members even if they did not grow up together. We know that's not true, if two family members do not grow up together and do not know they're family, then they won't be repulsed, so it's not genetic...
I'm not asking for stories to wank to, I'm asking for a practical, objective discussion of why it is so abhorent to so many.
I think we all understand why it's of prurient interest to some, simply because it's taboo. And I think the reason we see a large number of topics on it at LPSG, as opposed to what you would probably find at other sex related websites, is because the question that people really have deep down is "Would lust for a big penis override cultural boundaries and lead to sex?" It's a question about the power of size, does it have the power to make people lust for someone that they shouldn't have? | | | |
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05-06-2008
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#2 (permalink)
| | | you hit the nail on the head when you called it taboo. personally i believe there are enough hot people in the world without having to turn to family members. especially since one of two things happens: the participants are underage and shouldn't engage in sexual activity or the participants are of legal age and, well, that'd just be gross. | | | |
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05-06-2008
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#3 (permalink)
| | | I'm only going to bother answering the last question, on the power of size. In short, lust can make you do things you'd never expect to do. For those with a size-fixation, that find it easy to lust after large penis, I don't see how the same thing wouldn't apply.
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Example:
I feel sickened by Shota but if the characters have massive cocks drawn on them, I could care less.
I personally find incest disgusting but that's simply because I have an extreme dislike for my brother at times. However, it's not disgusting enough for me to care about when someone posts it here. LPSG isn't serious bussiness. | | | |
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05-06-2008
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Originally Posted by marleyisalegend you hit the nail on the head when you called it taboo. personally i believe there are enough hot people in the world without having to turn to family members. especially since one of two things happens: the participants are underage and shouldn't engage in sexual activity or the participants are of legal age and, well, that'd just be gross. | You have made some good arguments on other threads, this is not one of them. There has to be another reason why incest is so wrong other than the family member may be underage or the family member may be legal. That would be true of ALL sexual relationships family, friends or strangers.
No for the cultural reasons for the taboo.
Incest has the capacity to more than anything else known to humankind destroy the basic family unit. Husbands having an affair. Wives having an affair. These to pale compared to the damage that is done to the basic family unit when one of the parents has sex with one of the children that these two adults have brought into this world. Whether you base this on religious beliefs or just basic knowledge of people and how the react and relate toward each other, I dont' know of any recognized authority that doesn't not agree with the above statement.
Mom and Dad have a son. The son is now sexually mature. So son seduces the mother and succeeds. Make no mistake about it, in the very vast majority of family units, this family is now screwed once dad finds out. This is why in the wild, the male head of the pack kills the younger males that also are his own sons.
Children having sex with either parent is going to not only destroy the family but most likely result in some sort of warfare if all things are allowed to take their course.
It doesn't get much better when the son takes on the sister in terms of damage to the family, though it does cause major problems as well.
There was a time when first cousins were allowed to marry. Even half brothers and half sisters. We now know that this causes major genetic problems down the road.
These my mother walked on me while I was shaving and I dropped my towel and she saw everything are not incest unless they lead to something that is incestuous in nature as in a sexual act of some kind.
I know that there is much more that can be written by people on why incest is a taboo act in a family. I'll not steal the next poster's thunder by listing all the reasons here. I'm sure there are others who can list many. | | | |
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05-06-2008
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#5 (permalink)
| | | Most people condemn incest because it is a social taboo. A sexual relationship between brother and sister, for example, is not usually seen as right because the relationship between brother and sister is stereotypically much different between the relationship between lovers, so people find it hard to comprehend the crossover.
Incest is, in my opinion, very wrong when children are born. Defects are very common in these relationships due to similar DNA. Also, it gets very messy when an confused underage sister/brother is bought into the equation. Family units are ruined and put under public scrutiny.
The recent case of Elizabeth Fritzl was incest, but not forced rape. As far as I understand, her father manipulated her into consentual sex, due to him being an authority figure to her. That is when incest is very wrong. A parent/child relationship is a huge taboo and usually involves high levels of manipulation. | | | |
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05-06-2008
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#6 (permalink)
| | | I'm gonna go out on a limb and say there probably is a genetic component to being adverse to incest. Perhaps something with pheromones, but I know my people when I meet them. Even family I only met one time as an adult, I had no attraction whatsoever and never will. Beyond taboo, there's something that doesn't allow it on a sense level.
Having said that, I do not judge, consenting adults can do whatever. The issue with incest is that in many cases it springs from a pattern of abuse and usually occurs in childhood. The not growing up together, meeting and being sexual attractive thing is more fantasy than reality as this rarely happens. | | | |
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05-06-2008
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Originally Posted by ChockoKittie Having said that, I do not judge, consenting adults can do whatever. The issue with incest is that in many cases it springs from a pattern of abuse and usually occurs in childhood. The not growing up together, meeting and being sexual attractive thing is more fantasy than reality as this rarely happens. | EXACTLY. its probably safe to say that most incent involves minors and some level of manipulation. i know more stories of children who were preyed on by uncles than i know of grown siblings/relatives who decided to pair up. | | | |
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05-06-2008
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Originally Posted by marleyisalegend ...than i know of grown siblings/relatives who decided to pair up. | Likely because they are old enough to know such things should be kept secret from society. Though, that might sound too logical. | | | |
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05-06-2008
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#9 (permalink)
| | | Incest ultimately shows up as destructive to genetics. You can't rule out the psychological nature of human beings. So to say that we could have sex with a sibling if we didn't know they were a sibling rules out the psychological damage to the feelings we have for the person once we find out they are related to us.
My Great Grandparents were first cousins. None of us think that was a good idea. It sounds fucked up, i dont care who you are. Royalty used to marry close family members to keep the bloodline pure, it totally messed up some of the family tree.
You can argue its a purely natural thing, but anyone who breeds animals knows where the line has to be drawn for the genetic mishaps to be prevented.
When you are raised in such intimate settings such as with immediate family, it is unnatural to want to have sex with your sister or mom. There is something psychologically messed up for you to think of your own family outside of the normal context. I've been a victim of sexual abuse from close male family members. It is more damaging to think of someone so close to you taking advantage of you like that.
While it is considered normal for young children to explore with one another sexually, there comes a point where it does stop as a normal part of maturation and psychological development.
LPSG has no boundaries it seems, with an exception of talking about sex with children in a fantasizing manner. The moral relativism is unreal. I'm willing to accept people being gay, having abortions, being anti-religious. But there comes a point when i feel that this "anything goes" mentality RUINS the ability to have any judgement on any behavior. Even if we simply say "gross" to it.
You are in the minority for a reason, incest is simply disgusting. I can't even look two of my family members in the eye anymore. I don't even see them as normal human beings. | | | |
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05-06-2008
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#10 (permalink)
| | | In two words? Recessive genes.
Read about the duPont family sometime. They had a policy of marrying within the family and they were well-known for the amount of mental illness many family members suffered. So much, in fact, that an institution was built so the suffering family members could be sequestered without the public's knowledge. They're just one interesting example.
Speaking of examples here's an article that might interest you. | | | |
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05-06-2008
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#11 (permalink)
| | | Because it's fucking gross. But on a more detailed level, it's wrong PSYCHOLOGICALLY and it's wrong GENETICALLY. PSYCHOLOGICALLY, there are different types of love.
There is familial love.There is amorous love. There is camaraderous love. There is nurturing love. Only amorous love is the one that involves sex. There are various shades and types of love that don't lead to or include sex.
There are different types of love. There is nothing sexual about my love for my family members. There's is a nurturing love. There's is a protective love. It's different. It depends on your dynamic with people.
And I'm sorry, but there is NOTHING that turns me on about my mother or any of the women in my family. Maybe some distant cousins, but I just can't imagine having sex with my mom, or sisters, or first cousins..or even second cousins. It just doesn't ring true to me. And I'm not a person who buys into taboos or bullshit. I'm very free with my thought. I'm a very independent thinker. And even then, it just doesn't do anything for me. We have a different type of love. A love that could never lead to sex. We express our love a particular way. There is no need for sex. And it would turn me off to want to have sex with them. The moment I try to envision my dick anywhere near my mom's cooch, I shudder and shake. The moment I try to envision doing anything sexual with my sister....man....I'm ready to kick a dude's ass over even LOOKING at my sister. Why would I want to touch her. It...ugh....no...it's not cultural...it's just a NATURAL turn off. lol.
Not to mention from a GENETIC point of view, sex between family members related closely leads to all sorts of genetic birth defects and a host of other bullshit. So even on a GENETIC level...incest is forbidden. It's not just a cultural taboo. Even scientifically, incest leads to fucked up situations and babies with three eyes who can float and eat people....ok exaggeration but...you get the point lol.
And as other people mentioned earlier, it fucks up the family unit. We NEED those different types of love. We need to experience the whole diaspora of love. Not just screwing. But other types of love. More than just sex. We need those loves that don't include sex. We need a mother, a father. And we DONT need to be having sex with them. A parent's love with their children, or brother's love for his brothers or sisters, and sister's love for her sisters or brothers is much deeper than sex. Sex is not even necessary.
Not only that, but when it comes to family...you know them so well. It would be a complete turn off. You know not just the positives about them...BUT YOU KNOW THE NEGATIVES too. You know all the good and the bad. What could the turn on be in that.
I'm sorry, but based on the way we structure families, the world, and the human condition, incest is not only fucked up psychologically, but it's also fucked up genetically. And it just doesn't work. | | | |
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05-06-2008
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#12 (permalink)
| | | Just look at it from a practical view. Lovers come and go, but family is there forever. Think of the jealousy and drama and all that crap. Not worth it! | | | |
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05-06-2008
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#13 (permalink)
| | | Having sex with the guy who used to sit on fart on my head just doesnt get my juices flowing. Sorry. | | | |
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05-06-2008
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#14 (permalink)
| | | So who's to say having sex with babies is wrong? I mean there is no literature to say this is wrong. I know of no particular law stated in any culture that specifically condemns adults having sex with infants. So does this make it purely a cultural taboo? Or maybe there is something inherent in the normal human population that tells us "this is wrong"
I firmly believe incest has the same distasteful message in our brains and if it doesn't, you are probably not so good with interpersonal relationships because of your bizarre mindset about sex with family members.
I do have a problem with this being shown in porn. A daddy/daughter and in the 70's i saw quite a bit of mom with son porn too. | | | |
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05-06-2008
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#15 (permalink)
| | | Anyone see the X-files episode on this subject? Ack. | | | |
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