Ladies, tell me about height.

HazelGod

Where's Mme. Zora when we really need her???

In the unlikely story that is America, there has never been anything false about Hope.

Dragonfly20

God good welcome to the great cosmic fucking joke of the century Fuckwad..now go crawl back under your rock until you are called for.

whatireallywant

Agreed!!!

As for me and height, I'm short (like you wouldn't guess from my avatar ) at 5'3" rounding up. I have a catch-phrase regarding men and height:

Height isn't as important as length and girth.

Biology is not destiny.

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snoozan

It's douchebag, not asshole. Get it straight. Oh look! Your preferences are 100% straight!

johnlucas-1

Male & female views on height are illogical and contradictory.
If taller was better at all costs then why do any short people still exist?

What often happens is a cancelling out. Women are biased predominately for taller men yet men are biased predominately for shorter women.

Go to Yahoo Answers and hear the tall women complain about the tall guys passing them over for short women.
A child is a product of both parents and much like with the penis size the genetic coding is a result of both parents together.

If you expect tall boys then don't date short women. And if you expect short girls then don't date tall men. What people fail to realize is if taller men and shorter women continue to mate then you're just as likely to get tall girls and short boys as you would with tall boys and short girls because the girl can take after the father and the boy can take after the mother.

I knew one instance of this happening with a co-worker of mine long ago. We used to call him "Wolverine" because he was short, stocky, and hairy like the Marvel Comics character. He used to lament his genetic inheritance from time to time. He said his sister got the good genes. He was dark haired, wore thick glasses, was chubby and hairy; she was blonde, slim and tall with no glasses.

I went to their house one time after work. The blondish sister obviously took after her father with his sun-exposed brownish blondish hair and his upper medium height. Then my co-worker's mother came into the room. She was like the female version of my co-worker! Short, stout, dark haired, with thick glasses and you could tell by her eyebrows with disposition for hirsuteness. There was no mistaking that she was my co-worker's mother. They could have been twins 20 years removed. Incidentally there wasn't as strong as resemblance of my co-worker to his father appearance-wise anyway.

Taller blonder slimmer 20/20 vision father; taller blonder slimmer 20/20 vision mother. Shorter, black-haired, fatter, thick-eyeglassed, hirsute mother; shorter, black-haired, fatter, thick-eyeglassed, hirsute son.

It's not so simple as to say whatever the father looks like the son will look like too and whatever the mother looks like the daughter will look like too. Sometimes a child takes more after one or the other or is a in-between composite of both.

Same with penis size. Penis sizes large, medium, and small can come all from the mother not necessarily the father. Sons who end up smaller in genitals than the father might be able to attribute their inheritance to the mother who while vocally denouncing smaller-sized men passed on those very genes to her offspring. Chris Rock said it best. Watch out who you put down. That type of person is most likely already in your family.

These biases are less about genetic fitness and more about ego and some unknown variables in the dominance/submissive spectrum. If something is wholly undesirable it should never be selected. But yet these so-called undesirable types of people keep popping up. Something's not adding up. Maybe people should recognize the limitations of these illogical biases and broaden their perspectives.


I have a theory that men's biases for shorter women is to make his penis look bigger in the sex act by proportional difference. It's to "reaffirm his masculinity". To seem to feel like "the bigger man". Dominance.
Women's biases for taller men is to make her feel conquered sexually and submissive. Women hate to be "large" at least in predominately patriarchal societies. This is why most usually downplay their weights, breast size if large, heights.

Supposedly it's unmasculine to be short and small and unfeminine to be tall and large. But that is not true at all. I think the incoherence and schizophrenia about gender and gender roles is because there is a lot of overlap and sexuality and anatomical formation is on a continuum. There is the masculine pole and the feminine pole but in reality both men and women simultaneously carry feminine and masculine traits. There is a bit of girl and boy in each of us. Because of this people have to consciously reinforce gender roles because if not then the genders would not be quite as distinct.

It's like a green branch that somebody tried to break. It splits, sure, but it never fully separates. A broken green branch is held together even both of its ends point in opposing directions. I mentioned it in an old thread about women who wear makeup. Without makeup many women at a glance can resemble men. If the anatomy is not telltale like overgrown breasts or exaggerated hips then without the superficial distinguishing rituals it'd be hard to tell the two apart without looking closer. When people age it is said that men become more feminine and women become more masculine. People don't really realize how though males and females have their exclusive distinctions there is a lot of overlap. The sects (sexes) didn't fully split apart that green branch.

I get comments sometimes that I have "girl hands" but my voice is bass-baritone. I've seen very feminine women with catcher's mitts for hands way bigger than mine.

Many men are intimidated by tall women because they have fear of their masculinity being diminished. It must not be that strong a masculinity if a little height can diminish it. Many women turn their noses up at short men because they feel awkward being larger than their man. They have fear of their femininity being diminished but it can't be that strong a femininity if a little height can diminish it.

Human beings strive to be logical because we are illogical creatures. A lot of the things we do don't make sense yet we continue to do them anyway. I don't believe anymore that evolution necessarily improves the species; I believe it merely differentiates it. Because if it was inclined for improvement then perfection would be seen or close to being seen. Many times nature sets into our being self-defeating contradictory impulses which prevents the species as a whole from truly becoming a success.

You can't stop other people's prejudices but you can stop your own. I say both short men and tall women need a better chance for dating opportunity. Both need to get over their hangups and recognize the worth within themselves. If tall height was all powerful then everybody would be tall. But they're not so maybe it's not all it's cracked up to be. It's one of many forms of value with its own strengths and weaknesses.

The Sudanese created a tall society yet the people called the Pygmies are all short. Both get along fine. There is a need for slender forms as well as fat forms as well as muscular forms. A need for thinkers and a need for doers. If you look at the world less in a competitive fashion and more in a cooperative fashion then all these differences don't seem so threatening. Viewing the world in a Mosaic point of view than a Footrace point of view.

If you begin to do away with your illogical biases your attitude may spread to other people and eventually the bias may disappear. Most never think of that. One way to change the discrimination is to support and celebrate the variety through media. Short people need to celebrate themselves in magazines and TV and movies through ownership. A countermedia is how you undo a systemic discrimination. Blacks have done it and are still doing it. It works.

When you realize your inherent value, you WILL get someone in your life.
John Lucas

10inchtim

I am not a lady, however one of my undergraduate minor was in forensic anthropology. Here is my opinion, take it for what it's worth:

I believe strongly, that in the modern era, the once desirable trait of of physical prowess, is dying if not dead. We are in a time which values wealth and social standing far beyond physical strength and size. Our sex symbols have gone from Tall Dark and Handsome to small odd and quirky (See: Johnny Depp, Bradd Pitt, Tom Cruse, James Blunt...etc).

Generally speaking it is women who chose the genetic material of the next generation of humans. (As males will just pass it on to just about anything) As the playing feild is equalized, modern females (as a whole), for the first time in recorded history, are beginning to chose smaller softer and more effiminate mates to pass on their genetic material.

If anyone needs to be afraid, it is the large in stature who are being driven out of a society which no longer requires their traits. We have reached the pinnacle of overconsumption which has driven our increase in physical size. As the world begins to become more competitive for food, space, and other resources, the smaller more efficent body will begin to take precidence. It is likely that, over a long time, it will become more difficult for a large person to survive on the limited resources.

Basically, I am saying, don't worry about your size you are quite possibly the next step forward in what women desire!

Calcium

Skipping all the lovely anthropological hullabaloo, I'd like to provide an anecdote. I was at a party and my ex-girlfriend happened to also be there. She's maybe half an inch shorter than I am, but she was wearing heels, pushing her up. We got to talking (the, "how's it going, good, good" type thing) and she paused and asked, "Isn't this awkward for you?" I respond with, "What, that we used to go out?" and she says, "No, aren't you uncomfortable that I'm taller than you are right now?"

I don't really know what that story means, because I have not cracked the nebulous female's code, but take that as you will.

Marlboro woman

I would feel awkward going out with a man who was much shorter than me. I am six feet tall so a man of average height is going to be an inch or two shorter than me, although I always wear high heels so I appear much taller. My boyfriend is 5'11' so the difference is negligible. I prefer taller men, but tall muscular men, I am not really attracted to men who are tall and thin.

Shazia xxx

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StapledShut

1 outta 2 ain't bad, right? ...... Right?

It’s akin to chewing on a rain soaked car tire.

Allisondd14

I agree! I'm in the 5'2" - 5'3" range and I just prefer a guy who's taller than me. Oh, and I lean towards the girth part!

headlover

5'9" 6"x6" do i fit the requirements??

95LSv

Well, you could try taking HGH, that might help

uncut FTW

Sarista

For my experience it’s more of trying to avoid uncomfortable situations. I dated a guy who was slightly shorter than me and he was so self-conscious about me wearing heels. About the long strides I take, about the attention I get from other taller men. I kept trying to make him aware that I was with him and only him. Finally, I couldn’t take it anymore and left him. It’s a lot easier to be with a taller man. You don’t have to worry about so much.
On a biological and primitive level, women look for those who are more prone to survive and produce healthy, attractive, children. Survival of the species and all. We are mammals and when you look at mammals in the wild, the females of the mammals always gravitate toward the biggest and strongest. In other words, the ones most likely to survive.
I’m not trying to be mean, but honest.
From honest woman to inquisitive man, put on some muscle and deepen your voice. This will improve your experience with women by 25%-40%. Pronouncing your words clearly and having great posture will add an additional 5%-15% on that.
Don’t wear pants that are a shade lighter than your shirts. Never wear white pants. They make you look stumpy, making your body appear to be closer to the ground equaling shorter. Never wear white shoes, makes your feet look like flaps. Think like a tree, the bark is dark and at the bottom and the leaves are shaded light and at the top. Makes people look up. Think about it. Tell me how it works for you.

StateofMind

Thank you!

tripod

Great post!!

TheBomb