"I want this person gone!" threads

[HazelGod]

Originally Posted by Gillette

Unacceptably soft...to some. Keep in mind there is a huge contingent still sore that Spladle was banned after doing the exact same thing countless times and after being warned about it several times. Everybody has their own standard for what is and isn't bannable. I sincerely doubt you'd find any group who would agree on every point.

Spladle was a notorious jokester...it's a widely known fact. That Symphonic fuckwad doesn't have the tenure or reputation here to afford him the same leeway. But you're a moderator, so you already know these things.

Originally Posted by Gillette

The thread was up for four hours. Garnered two whole responses. Why didn't you comment in it if you feel so strongly about this? Could it possibly be because you were sleeping? Could it? Because if that's the reason you didn't comment then you also have to concede that the "failure" on the part of the moderators to act was for a good reason. Shock and amazement! We sleep, too!

I didn't task you for not acting...but for acting lamely. I wasn't sleeping...I just didn't feel the need to say "me, too!" You weren't too asleep, however, to toothlessly cite the ToS at Symphonic, were you? You let us down. You then doubled your error by stifling the resulting outcry. Try to do better next time.

[penisuer]

Yes, I could have answered the moderator in a different fashion, but I am so exasparated with the whole thing.

Gillette; I deleted the thread because I was told to, that is why.

Am I generally combative, no. But this is a very sore subject for me. I posted a concern with my OP and in the end, I got called names and had death wished on my child. Wtf?
Do you have children? It was a knee-jerk response to have someone wish my child dead to tell him karma has a way of putting it on the illwisher instead. I did NOT start off combative until the line was crossed with the baby. I should not have taken it out on Gillette, ok you're right.
I was willing to drop the whole thing when he was just insulting me and calling me names, but when it came to my child, I will fight it. Just like IRL. So, I don't understand the 'he did it first' thing? Would you not think as a mother, you would want to hurt the bad guy who hurt your baby who could have died at 7 months old?

I joined this board because I figured it was mostly men, thus less hormonal and catty than some of the women on other forums, such as the parenting variety. There you get alot of 'I homeschool so I am better than you comments' or the lastest 'I am a better mother cause I don't vaccinate my kids'. I guess I was wrong on that level because never in cyber world or my real life has anyone ever, in my 33 years on this earth ever said anything so nasty to me as S did.

I think I should just bow out of this board like a lady and talk to the ones whom I have made 'friends' with via PM and maybe lurk at some of the good-looking men. If I need advice, I will just search threads.

This place has more contention than all the parenting chatboards and other women dominate chatboards combined.

Heck, I will take 'You're a lazy neglegent parent for putting your kids in public schools' comments over 'normal children deserve life, yours does not' any day of the week.

Bye people...waves.....

Gillette, sorry if I offended you. Good luck in the future with everything.

Originally Posted by Mademoiselle Rouge

Penisuer, are you usually this combative? You aren't starting off on the right foot if you want to get support here. People are generally pretty tolerant to those in need and i'd say you got quite a bit of support in your first thread. Acting childish and rude towards moderators makes people question whether or not they should have taken the effort to respond to your post at all.

I see a lot of immaturity with the "He did it first!" mentality. The moderators volunteer their time here, give them a little respect. They put up with a lot of shit and get the shaft constantly for not being hand puppets.

[Mademoiselle Rouge]

Originally Posted by penisuer

Yes, I could have answered the moderator in a different fashion, but I am so exasparated with the whole thing.

Gillette; I deleted the thread because I was told to, that is why.

Am I generally combative, no. But this is a very sore subject for me. I posted a concern with my OP and in the end, I got called names and had death wished on my child. Wtf?
Do you have children? It was a knee-jerk response to have someone wish my child dead to tell him karma has a way of putting it on the illwisher instead. I did NOT start off combative until the line was crossed with the baby. I should not have taken it out on Gillette, ok you're right.
I was willing to drop the whole thing when he was just insulting me and calling me names, but when it came to my child, I will fight it. Just like IRL. So, I don't understand the 'he did it first' thing? Would you not think as a mother, you would want to hurt the bad guy who hurt your baby who could have died at 7 months old?

I joined this board because I figured it was mostly men, thus less hormonal and catty than some of the women on other forums, such as the parenting variety. There you get alot of 'I homeschool so I am better than you comments' or the lastest 'I am a better mother cause I don't vaccinate my kids'. I guess I was wrong on that level because never in cyber world or my real life has anyone ever, in my 33 years on this earth ever said anything so nasty to me as S did.

I think I should just bow out of this board like a lady and talk to the ones whom I have made 'friends' with via PM and maybe lurk at some of the good-looking men. If I need advice, I will just search threads.

This place has more contention than all the parenting chatboards and other women dominate chatboards combined.

Heck, I will take 'You're a lazy neglegent parent for putting your kids in public schools' comments over 'normal children deserve life, yours does not' any day of the week.

Bye people...waves.....

Gillette, sorry if I offended you. Good luck in the future with everything.

I have no idea who the guy was that completely treated you shitty in your thread. I do know that many of us reported his commentary as soon as he said them. I have no idea why he didnt get banned. I've been banned before, as have many of the people involved in this particular thread. We see things from several perspectives here. Rather than to argue about who should have been banned and why, I'd rather see a real female here who can contribute like yourself. I don't want to see people get thrown out who weren't necessarily trying to cause problems.

I am a mother, and i wouldnt have taken too kindly to what he said either. I think that LPSG has bitchy episodes that come and go in seasons around here. I was gone for 5 weeks recently and it appeared as if things had calmed down a bit. But i can feel the tension rise in several threads going on here at the same time.

Since my registering in Sept. I've not personally seen someone say vile comments such as the comments said to you. But this has gone so far beyond that to the point where things are going to get uglier if we don't let it go.

The idiot who made the comments in your thread is not well liked around here and most likely blew his entire credibility based on how he handled himself.

[ScaredLittleBoy]

Originally Posted by ManlyBanisters

Actually it wasn't - that's what happened.

Do you even know what this thread is about?

Oui.

Did someone insult another person!? Another person's BABY?

THAT doesn't happen every day. I have seen people wish AIDS on other members and wish members with AIDS to die. They weren't banned either and no one made a fuss on this scale.

There are nasty people everywhere. Ignore them. If the attacks go from verbal/written to physical then obviously there is an issue. Which would require police and not moderator action.

Furthermore: who's to say that penisuer and Symphonic aren't the same person or know each other in real life and have a history. I think penisuer's posts are a bit suspect: would a worried mother go on about hospitals and then end a post with "Monster, you're so hawt"

Making pessimistic, hateful predictions about the life expectancy of another person is not a crime. Directly and willfuly ending a person's life is. But there IS a difference.

There are greater injustices in the world. Watch the news.

If every member who insulted someone was banned, there would be no members left. Yes, there are degrees of insult but they are still insults nonetheless and like all insults: if they're not true why can't you just ignore them?

This is the internet ffs.

[simcha]

All this crap about using the "report post" button only works if you are one of the moderators' favorites. I have yet to get any responses for recent reports I've made. Apparently some people have priority over others.

[ManlyBanisters]

Originally Posted by ScaredLittleBoy

Furthermore: who's to say that penisuer and Symphonic aren't the same person or know each other in real life and have a history. I think penisuer's posts are a bit suspect: would a worried mother go on about hospitals and then end a post with "Monster, you're so hawt" .

Yeah - because we all know that mothers have NO SEXUAL FEELINGS whatsoever, don't we.

SLB - you said Drifter's post was sensationalist - it wasn't. That is all. Your take on the specifics of the case is, I'm sure, fascinating - but entirely irrelevant to what I was saying.

[Gillette]

Originally Posted by HazelGod

Spladle was a notorious jokester...it's a widely known fact. That Symphonic fuckwad doesn't have the tenure or reputation here to afford him the same leeway. But you're a moderator, so you already know these things.

So...would I be correct in assuming the difference for you is popularity? Are you telling me that this indignation wouldn't be present if Spladle had said he hoped her baby died? Fie on you if so.

I didn't task you for not acting...but for acting lamely. I wasn't sleeping...I just didn't feel the need to say "me, too!" You weren't too asleep, however, to toothlessly cite the ToS at Symphonic, were you? You let us down. You then doubled your error by stifling the resulting outcry. Try to do better next time.

Your ability to skip the obvious point grows.
I was not asleep, so I posted in the thread. The others were, hence, no vote and no official action. This is the exact same situation for me as the last time you rode my ass for my moderating. Remember? Only that time you interpreted it as an official warning when it wasn't then proceeded to give me shit for acting without the other moderator's (offline at the time) approval. So which is it to be, HG? You want me to act single handedly or you want me to wait for moderator consensus? You can't cry for each in turn depending on how it suits you per circumstance and expect me to respect your judgement of "fairness".

The outcry? An OP and two following posts. Deafening, truly. You know, I'd have a hell of a lot more respect for those bemoaning the loss of the thread had they actually participated in it. If it was such a valued community service why boycott it yourselves? This board has a lot of funny people.

I removed it because it was a harassment thread. Period. Had I done it to cover my supposed embarrassment over the "weak" response do you think this thread would still be here?

Try to do better next time? Pound sand. You've already proven that "better" is only better if it suits you.

*Edit*
Jesus christ, you had to fuck with the font and size to boot?! I hate that shit.

[ManlyBanisters]

Gillette - most of the people on the board were not up in time to see thread - I clicked on it very shortly after logging in and got the "You are trying to access an area you do not have permission to view" message (or words to that effect). Now if it was posted and gone too early for me, in CEST land, to see then the vast majority of posters would have missed it too.

F-all members posted to it because f-all members were here...

[Gillette]

Originally Posted by ManlyBanisters

Gillette - most of the people on the board were not up in time to see thread - I clicked on it very shortly after logging in and got the "You are trying to access an area you do not have permission to view" message (or words to that effect). Now if it was posted and gone too early for me, in CEST land, to see then the vast majority of posters would have missed it too.

F-all members posted to it because f-all members were here...

I get that. What I wish others would get is that it means there were also F-all mods to vote for any official action.

The irony of this thread is that the two most vocal supporters of what a public service the thread was have said that they did see it but chose not to participate.

[ScaredLittleBoy]

Originally Posted by ManlyBanisters

Yeah - because we all know that mothers have NO SEXUAL FEELINGS whatsoever, don't we.

SLB - you said Drifter's post was sensationalist - it wasn't. That is all. Your take on the specifics of the case is, I'm sure, fascinating - but entirely irrelevant to what I was saying.

That was one part of my post. Point being: you don't who is or isn't behind the computer screen. And IMO its a little out of place to have an emotional paragraph ended with "Monster you're so hot." It almost seems like bathos.

But even assuming penisuer is indeed a female and does actually have an ill child or children...things need to be put into perspective. This is the internet.

If you get upset about words on a screen, maybe you shouldn't have kids in the first place; you need to grow up and grow a "thick skin" with it.

If you want to be a crusader for justice, the internet is not the place. Even humouring you and saying it is: this is a very small fry and petty 'crusade'.

And I've seen other people on here insulted and insulted to a much greater degree - where was the protest of shock and outrage then? Or do you just pick and choose your little e-fights?

I notice that incidentally the activity on the forum and the quality of threads has decreased whilst at the same time these types of threads increase.

*Runs to the refuge of Chat*

[HazelGod]

Originally Posted by Gillette

So...would I be correct in assuming the difference for you is popularity? Are you telling me that this indignation wouldn't be present if Spladle had said he hoped her baby died? Fie on you if so.


Your ability to skip the obvious point grows.

Fie on me, then...no skin off my back. From Splades, it wouldn't have been venomous, just in very poor taste.

The difference - and concurrently the point you're missing - is discretion...or rather your lack of (or obtuse refusal to use) it. I know you're a smart girl...I expected - and still expect - better from you.

Originally Posted by Gillette

What I wish others would get is that it means there were also F-all mods to vote for any official action.

And yet you didn't seem to have any problem taking the unilateral action of silencing the discussion thread...it just doesn't follow that you can singlehandedly squelch a protest involving several members, yet you can't sanction one complete fucking asshole that any moron could see rightly deserves it.

[Gillette]

Originally Posted by HazelGod

Fie on me, then...no skin off my back. From Splades, it wouldn't have been venomous, just in very poor taste.

For those of us who knew him, sure. But for new posters not familiar with his style and who fell victim to his rants it's purely offensive. So I'll ask you to think about it again. Would the offense to Peniseur have affected her, not you or anyone else, her, any differently had it been Splades doing it?

The difference - and concurrently the point you're missing - is discretion...or rather your lack of (or obtuse refusal to use) it. I know you're a smart girl...I expected - and still expect - better from you.

And yet you didn't seem to have any problem taking the unilateral action of silencing the discussion thread...it just doesn't follow that you can singlehandedly squelch a protest involving several members, yet you can't sanction one complete fucking asshole that any moron could see rightly deserves it.

It does follow actually. A harassment thread either is or isn't. Names the target. Check. OP to the target's detriment. Check. It's an harassment thread. It meets the standard, we already know what's to be done, we don't need a discussion prior to doing it. The same way we don't require discussion prior to banning minors. You need to be 18 years of age or older to post here. A member either is or isn't. Simple.

Conduct in threads is a different matter. It should have more than one person involved in the decision to prevent one moderator's possible bias from influencing the action taken. I'll remind you again that you were all too happy to tout this very reason yourself the last time you got on my case for my moderating actions.

You can not argue that I have no right to post at all then argue in an identical situation (sole mod online) that I should ban someone without moderator discussion first. Because that does not follow.

He was sanctioned, the deleted thread and the continued fuss here from you is because you're not satisfied to the degree he was sanctioned.

You want to talk about discretion? Try practicing some yourself.
I was at the mall with a friend the other day and couldn't resist trying some orange chicken at the food court. She only gave me two scoops and I thought there was room on the plate for at least one more. I could have stomped my feet, I could have expressed my disappointment with the portion. I could even have held up the plate for the entire food court to see and asked if they thought it was adequately dispensed. However I realized that the establishment has it's own guidelines on portion sizes put in place for it's own reasons. I also understood that, discretion being the better part of valor, that by making a spectacle of myself over perfectly understandable portions I would only look like a raving fool. So I kept my mouth shut, paid for my food and enjoyed my orange chicken. It was delicious. Even though it wasn't as much as I'd have liked.

I am a smart girl, so I'll tell you this. If the "better" you expect of me is that I do precisely what you want, when you want and how you want it then you may expect, now and in future, to be disappointed.

[Drifterwood]

I prefer lemon chicken, garlic chicken, coq au vin, fresh ginger chicken, green curry chicken, fried chicken , spicy wings, in fact almost every type of chicken that I can think of over orange chicken. I mean orange with chicken?

Orange chicken, sheesh.

[ManlyBanisters]

Originally Posted by Drifterwood

I prefer lemon chicken, garlic chicken, coq au vin, fresh ginger chicken, green curry chicken, fried chicken , spicy wings, in fact almost every type of chicken that I can think of over orange chicken. I mean orange with chicken?

Orange chicken, sheesh.

Il n'y a pas plus de canard?

[Drifterwood]

Meme canard, l'orange c'est pour jus et marmelade.