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Originally Posted by invisibleman I remember in middle school: After P.E. was over, all the boys had to shower in the communal showers. The coach pulled up a school chair and watched us while we

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Old 05-04-2008   #31 (permalink)
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I remember in middle school: After P.E. was over, all the boys had to shower in the communal showers. The coach pulled up a school chair and watched us while we showered. He was a fifty year old guy and wore an all white gym attire. He would make sure that every boy was in that shower. And was a part of our grade.

I don't know about anyone else, but showering with other guys doesn't really turn me on that much; I guess I have too much self-control. As for a fifty-year old guy or any older guy for that matter watching me shower, that's just a wee bit creepy.

The 'Olden Times' were just so different, like a completely different America.
 
Old 05-04-2008   #32 (permalink)
kurios is offline

Guess it depends on what "watching" means. If a coach made sure that everyone got into the shower and all hell didn't break loose then that's cool. To sit there and watch as if it was a movie then yes that is creepy.
Back a bit no one thought showers post game were other than to clean off and who or what mix could'nt have mattered less but now with homophobia and tight assedness rampant showering becomes a very complex social ritual where the worst case scenario is the norm and many freak out at the idea that a coach getting the same team bus home might want to shower down without clearing the locker room.
Sad but that is the way it is and with all the moral zealots out there, as a coach you wouldn't catch me showering with my team in fact I wouldn't even want to be too physical with the winning congratulations.
 
Old 05-04-2008   #33 (permalink)
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After writing my post last night, I had a flashback to my freshmen Health class for PE majors in college (late 70's). We were actually told that we had a legal responsibility to monitor (ie--watch) the showers, as we were legally liable to:
a-prevent any dangerous play (including hazing) or injury that might appen
b-to monitor kids for physical signs of abuse such as bruise, scars, etc..

In the case of b, there had actually been PE teachers sued because they had not reported abuse that they should have seen if they had been properly monitoring students. In my own career, I have reported at least a few cases of abuse that no one else was clued into, based on scars on the back or legs. Two of these were kids who were burned with irons as children by their parents.

Interesting how our desire to prevent abuse may in fact be keeping us from spotting more of it.
 
Old 05-04-2008   #34 (permalink)
kurios is offline

So sadly true................
 
Old 05-05-2008   #35 (permalink)
catman is offline

Surprised no one has brought this up yet...



COACHES SHORTS.

Damn I love a man who fills them out, its the man version of a bra- lifts and seperates those beefy ass cheeks so amazingly...
 
Old 05-05-2008   #36 (permalink)
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Surprised no one has brought this up yet...

COACHES SHORTS.
I remember those. There were several brands, but Russell Athletic was the standard item. They were very popular in the late '70s - early '80s. I still have a pair of navy and a pair of royal blue.

I used to run at a high school track in Arizona in the late '70s. During the summer, a young assistant football coach caught my eye - blond hair, killer body, great tan. We were both in our late 20s. He wore red coaches shorts. He was very friendly and would always say "Hi!" when we saw each other. I had a BF at the time, but I would have loved to get to know the coach better. I'll never forget how great his ass and legs looked in those shorts.
 
Old 05-05-2008   #37 (permalink)
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I remember in middle school: After P.E. was over, all the boys had to shower in the communal showers. The coach pulled up a school chair and watched us while we showered. He was a fifty year old guy and wore an all white gym attire. He would make sure that every boy was in that shower. And was a part of our grade.
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I don't know about anyone else, but showering with other guys doesn't really turn me on that much; I guess I have too much self-control. As for a fifty-year old guy or any older guy for that matter watching me shower, that's just a wee bit creepy.

The 'Olden Times' were just so different, like a completely different America.
Well, I thought that it was odd at the time. I thought that his wife did the same to him to make sure he showered.

I don't have any coach fantasies other than Craig T. Nelson and Tom Selleck being my coaches. Hehehe.

America in the early eighties was different compared to now. People weren't on the internet and people watched TV.
 
Old 05-05-2008   #38 (permalink)
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After writing my post last night, I had a flashback to my freshmen Health class for PE majors in college (late 70's). We were actually told that we had a legal responsibility to monitor (ie--watch) the showers, as we were legally liable to:
a-prevent any dangerous play (including hazing) or injury that might appen
b-to monitor kids for physical signs of abuse such as bruise, scars, etc..

In the case of b, there had actually been PE teachers sued because they had not reported abuse that they should have seen if they had been properly monitoring students. In my own career, I have reported at least a few cases of abuse that no one else was clued into, based on scars on the back or legs. Two of these were kids who were burned with irons as children by their parents.

Interesting how our desire to prevent abuse may in fact be keeping us from spotting more of it.
This post is finally bringing a major change in how coaches and teachers were perceived professional then and now. In those days a teacher and a coach were considered professionals who worked with children. They were right there with the nurses and the doctors in terms of contact. There wasn't even a nurse required in my state until 20 years ago. In those days, an elementary teacher was expected to clean up a small child that had an accident in class. Today with a nurse available, the nurse is suppose to do that. Some schools will forbid a teacher from doing that. So if you have a sixth or seventh grade boy in the middle of puberty have some kind of problem, broken arms from an accident, whatever, and needs help going to the restroom and the boy doesn't want the female nurse helping him, the male teacher who the boy feels comfortable with is not allowed to do that. Why? That is not part of the professional duties of a teacher now.

There was a time when the coaches did use the shower situation to check for health problems, child abuse, etc. and could be sued or fired for failing to report or failure to check for these problems. Today, that same very coach in the very same school could be sued for checking for those same very problems. Why? Then it was part of the coaches professional duties. Now it is not.

So if the school hires a female nurse and for whatever reason, the rules are going to require that the boys be checked out head to toe to look for evidences of child abuse from home, the coaches who took a course in that can't do it, it would be the female nurse that would have to be standing there checking out each boy as they came out of the shower.

It is all about being professional and doing what your professional duties are as determined by your employer and/or your profession.

There has been a vast change in what our culture views as professional duties of teachers and coaches. We find that true in scouting as well and I'm sure in other areas as well.

As for the comment earlier about a 50 year old guy sitting in a chair watching all the boys shower, I would feel freaked out to. But the fact that he was older, younger or the same age wouldn't be the reason. That is just weird.

If a coach needs to check out all boy P.E students for evidences of child abuse as part of his job, I would suggest that he tell the boys that is what he is doing and let them come one at a time rather than having a big group of boys being watched the whole time they are showering and putting on their clothes and let it be a mystery to the boys why he is doing the checking. Talk about pouring gasoline on a needless fire!

That is the part that alarmed me. Doctors and nurses would not do that this way. That isn't the best professional way to do it.

Again, until this thread, I hadn't really thought about the professional part of it. We are taught at an early age about professional duties and what are not professional duties of each profession.

To many people now, that child in first grade who is sick and has messed big time in his pants and the school can't get in touch with this or her parents? The nurse takes care of it. But the nurse is gone to a meeting and won't be back for two hours. In some schools the child would be expected to sit in diarrhea for two hours for the nurse to return causing major diaper rash rather then let his or her teacher who the student knows and loves like a parent take care of him or her.

In the 50's and 60's a first grade teacher who refused to clean up one of her first grade children in that situation would have been fired.

For the professional child predator watchers, there has been and always will be children six and under who have to be changed by some adult. All we can do is determine which adult we will allow to do it and which adults we would bar from doing it. Surely, no one sees anything sexual about which profession is in charge of duties that someone has to do. Which gender, I can see in some situations.

It is about doing what is perceived is the professional thing to do in your profession at that particular point in time.
 
Old 05-06-2008   #39 (permalink)
catman is offline

I remember thinking nothing of seeing a/the coach walk thru the locker room and kid around with the guy. Making comments, etc.... "one of the guys"... I remember a coach one seeing me nude and saying "whoa big fella, whoaaaa"- we thought *nothing* of it. Heck I can remember him stepping up to the 'trough style' urinal, fishing his dick out and peeing...it was "normal', right?


Now?? he might sued for saying or looking or thinking or...

Heck- I bet if the coach even farted nowadays there might be recrinimations...
 
Old 05-06-2008   #40 (permalink)
MARCOPOLO4 is offline

in my day(i'm not giving out any year) there was no such thing as students and coaches showering together unheard of. both coaches and students had separate showers and changing areas. when & where did this other nonsense begin?
 
Old 05-06-2008   #41 (permalink)
Tanvir is offline

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....As for the generational issues, most of the WWII generation lost any shred of modesty when they were serving in the military. Since this was such a common experience, this carried over when so many of those veterans returned home, many of them becoming teachers and coaches, who carried over the hygiene training they were exposed to in the military into their roles as teacher/coaches. Thus, most kids growing up in the 50's, 60's, 70's, and even early 80's, were expected to shower after gym or practice. Most of us overcame the first few embarrassing experiences of being smaller or less hairy than the upperclassmen, or even the deathly embarrassing untimely erection, without permanent psychological damage...
Even prior to WWII and the farther you get from the Industrial Age, men were doing more physical labor. We were using our bodies more and working outdoors-the body was much more part of the everyday world than it is today. If it was hot, you probably wore less clothing; if cold, you wore more. If the body was injured, you patch it up, and if it's dirty, you wash it and make it clean, just as you would a horse or any other working animal. Because men, and not women, were doing most of that hard physical labor, it gave society a different attitude about guys covering up, and this remained right up through the mid 70s, when I was growing. When it cam to being naked, men and women were just different.
 

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