04-26-2008
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#31 (permalink)
| | | I DID NOT ASK FOR AN ETHICS DEBATE, SHEESH!!!!
I wanted some tips on pace, how long should aim to last, anything to do in the meantime, positions to start with, etc.
pronatalist, it is biased people like you with closed minds that got me where i am today. I am stuck in a sexual society with no clue what is going on. I have come leaps and bounds to catch up.
Maybe a monogamous world where sex is used for the sole purpose of reproduction would be good but it simply is not realistic in this day and age due to many societal factors.
I have went to college and got away from my roots to have a complete mindset change and a realization how different the world is from what i thought.
Bottom line, this guy right here who has turned down multiple sex opportunities would like to give it a shot and see what it is like. I am a great looking social guy who's never had problems getting girls but had some mental barriers here.
I have certain needs, I need to take care of and with my mindset and career pathway, i dont plan on getting married for another 10 years at least.
Sexual relief is a necessity in life right along with food, water, and sleep.
Dont waste another post debating, i am not gonna listen, I just want some help from some people with experience so that im not going into this completely confused. | | | |
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04-26-2008
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#32 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by fak_et I DID NOT ASK FOR AN ETHICS DEBATE, SHEESH!!!!
I wanted some tips on pace, how long should aim to last, anything to do in the meantime, positions to start with, etc.
pronatalist, it is biased people like you with closed minds that got me where i am today. I am stuck in a sexual society with no clue what is going on. I have come leaps and bounds to catch up.
Maybe a monogamous world where sex is used for the sole purpose of reproduction would be good but it simply is not realistic in this day and age due to many societal factors.
I have went to college and got away from my roots to have a complete mindset change and a realization how different the world is from what i thought.
Bottom line, this guy right here who has turned down multiple sex opportunities would like to give it a shot and see what it is like. I am a great looking social guy who's never had problems getting girls but had some mental barriers here.
I have certain needs, I need to take care of and with my mindset and career pathway, i dont plan on getting married for another 10 years at least.
Sexual relief is a necessity in life right along with food, water, and sleep.
Dont waste another post debating, i am not gonna listen, I just want some help from some people with experience so that im not going into this completely confused. | Alright my darling.....is she a virgin as well? You are a girthy guy so if she hasnt had sex in a while its probably going to be a little painful for her. So i wouldnt aim to last a while. Honestly, i think people put too much priority on lasting forever. I like a good 10 minutes of intense penetration because it doesnt get me too sore. Some women like a little longer. But most women dont like to have their brains pounded out for an hour!
Also, do you know much about oral sex and female orgasm? If so, that would be a great thing to initiate first. Do you last a long time when you masturbate or do you edge for a while? | | | |
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04-26-2008
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#33 (permalink)
| | | No particular girl planned at the moment, would like to try it first with a virgin as well.
Have a little experience and knowledge about oral and female orgasm, was able to cause a few with combination of fingering and oral. Im not a pro yet but I guess you could say Im ok.
How long i last depends on the situation, if i need to have a quickie i can, if i want to last long, i can do that as well, I also am able to edge.
I have noticed that girth may potentially be a problem. The few girls ive fingered, i had a hard time fitting more than two fingers in, wondered how my penis would fit. When receiving oral and hanjobs, definately had some teeth and nail encounters that the girls werent able to help,
BTW, thanks to the few that are actually being helpful. | | | |
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04-26-2008
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#34 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by fak_et No particular girl planned at the moment, would like to try it first with a virgin as well.
Have a little experience and knowledge about oral and female orgasm, was able to cause a few with combination of fingering and oral. Im not a pro yet but I guess you could say Im ok.
How long i last depends on the situation, if i need to have a quickie i can, if i want to last long, i can do that as well, I also am able to edge.
I have noticed that girth may potentially be a problem. The few girls ive fingered, i had a hard time fitting more than two fingers in, wondered how my penis would fit. When receiving oral and hanjobs, definately had some teeth and nail encounters that the girls werent able to help,
BTW, thanks to the few that are actually being helpful. | You are welcome to PM me or yahoo me if you have messenger and i can visit with you more about it in dialogue if you'd wish. I have yahoo and you can PM me for the handle. I am built very small and i have a husband about your size and there have been difficulties. | | | |
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04-26-2008
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#35 (permalink)
| | | Most people should understand the need for sexual relief, isn't that a big reason why married couples share the same bed? Quote:
Originally Posted by fak_et ... Sexual relief is a necessity in life right along with food, water, and sleep. ... | Well that's one of the compelling reasons I would list, in favor of large families and "uncontrolled" worldwide natural population growth.
I do not at all expect for people to have to curtail sexual activity, if first properly married, nor do I expect people to struggle with unnatural, awkward, anti-life, shoddy "birth control."
"Sexual relief" is a compelling reason why world population has become so "huge," and why it's natural continued growth should be understandable and encouraged to progress naturally. It's not the best reason, and many better reasons can be listed, but it's a very understandable reason. Humans are among the horniest of God's creatures, and we get to enjoy being constantly "in heat," able to breed year-round.
But sexual needs, as I have heard, are a bit difference. If you were in the swimming pool, for an example, that some speaker used, and somebody held your head underwater, your first thoughts would be to get laid, right? Not at all. You can survive without sex, but not without food, water, sleep, and of course, air. | | | |
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04-26-2008
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Originally Posted by pronatalist If you were in the swimming pool, for an example, that some speaker used, and somebody held your head underwater, your first thoughts would be to get laid, right? Not at all. You can survive without sex, but not without food, water, sleep, and of course, air. | If you were in the swimming pool, for an example, that some speaker used, and somebody held your head underwater, your first thoughts would be to get a hotdog, right? Not at all. You can survive without food, but not without sex, water, sleep, and of course, air.  | | | |
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04-26-2008
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#37 (permalink)
| | | Well I will tell you this healthy 20 yo male can't live without it for much longer or he's about to go insane. If you had any idea what these hormones are like, you would understand.
...Necessary for Life | | | |
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04-26-2008
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#38 (permalink)
| | | Where did you get the idea, that I was downplaying the need for sexual relief? Quote:
Originally Posted by No_Strings If you were in the swimming pool, for an example, that some speaker used, and somebody held your head underwater, your first thoughts would be to get a hotdog, right? Not at all. You can survive without food, but not without sex, water, sleep, and of course, air.  | Yes, you can survive without food, but not for too long. Somewhere, I heard the rule of thumb of how long you can go without, is about 3 minutes without air, 3 days without water, and 3 weeks without food.
People can do without sex, as moral people say abstinence until marriage. As with food, I don't expect people to go "forever" without sex. I'm no party pooper. Get married and push the babies on out. Get married younger, if needed. I agree with the "need for sexual relief," but obviously, society expects us to at least wait until we get home, where we might have a little privacy, and not have sex right out in public when we may claim to feel the "need." I take a reasonably liberal view on that, extending "home" to be the tent a family is camping in, an RV, a motel room, an open beach if you are reasonable sure to be alone, a refugee camp, most anywhere a person may reasonably sleep on a bed. As I have said, I welcome people to enjoy "sexual relief," with "unlimited" natural emissions of semen into vaginas, "unchecked" worldwide population growth, natural proliferation of all the more human penises and vaginas naturally coming into puberty and "in heat," just so long as a few basic moral standards are met. The ones I see required in the Bible, and presumably also, by common sense. Commit first in marriage, and love and provide for any babies that happen to happen. That has long been the standard, and I see no reason to change it now. Parents taking proper care of their children, does quite much actually, in order to allow communities to adapt, to hold more people. While the parents take care of children growing up, future needs for housing expansion, can reasonably easily be estimated. And builders can figure where they can make the money in new housing sales. The future occupants are already here, and can be easily counted.
I detest with the way that the natural function of bearing babies, has been relegated into some sort of "voluntary" hobby. No, it's a natural function, much like eating or sleeping. Or the heart beating. And to welcome babies to naturally push out, I see much the same as allowing people's hearts to go on beating. Life is life, and we should be grateful to God, to be alive, that God gave us life.
Also, I think it may have been this same speaker, speaking out on behalf of abstinence until marriage, who suggested orange juice as a contraceptive, if I am stating it right. Now how does orange juice prevent pregnancy? Glad you asked. You drink it, instead of having sex.
For most all of history, sex=babies. Now comes along some bizarre new contraceptive potions and poisons, and sex is not equal to babies? People tend to cling to tradition and moral and religious beliefs, and so we say, "Hold on, I smell a rat." Something's not quite right here. Sex is still primarily for procreation, isn't it? And if not, why not? And the immoral contraceptive pushers have yet to give us any satisfactory answers, how we have the gall to change the parameters that God has set for us. | | | |
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04-26-2008
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#39 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by fak_et I need to take care of and with my mindset and career pathway, i dont plan on getting married for another 10 years at least. | Great plan. I am placing a similar restriction. Quote:
Originally Posted by fak_et Sexual relief is a necessity in life right along with food, water, and sleep. | AY!!! Especially, if you're a hung male. ADVICE
As has been implied by some previous posts, making her feel secure is important to her pleasure. A lot of women are insecure and worried about whether they look sexy naked or whether you like their pussy. You should preferable have sex with women that you think are sexy and you like their pussy. I accomplish these things by communicating in some way that I think they are sexy. Here are a few lines that might work (say them in a sexy tone and try to come up with them on the spot, she will notice if they sound rehearsed):
"I wanted to fuck you so bad the first time I saw you"
Rub body part "x" while saying, "God, I love your 'x'"
"Being deep inside you feels so good"
"Your tight pussy feels so good around my cock" (even if she isn't tight say it anyway) | | | |
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04-26-2008
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#40 (permalink)
| | | Don't think about the physical part too much, it should be the easy part.
Your dick should get hard, if it doesn't find a nice guy and see if he would like to try it.
Her pussy should get wet, if it doesn't she should find a nice gal and see if she would like to give it a try. | | | |
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04-26-2008
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#41 (permalink)
| | | So everybody fucks. I'm fine with that. Just do it in the right way, so as to get the best results. Quote:
Originally Posted by fak_et Well I will tell you this healthy 20 yo male can't live without it for much longer or he's about to go insane. If you had any idea what these hormones are like, you would understand.
...Necessary for Life | You know they say that self-control is a virtue.
It was the book, "The Sexual Male," that I bought at a Promise Keepers event, in which I recall something about puberty coming earlier and people delaying marriage later and later. So that people are having to wait decades for sex. And so I think, yeah, that's right, there's a reason to encourage more people to marry young. Parents used to marry off their children younger, to help prevent things like pregnancy outside of wedlock.
And the guy over at the Philippines pro-life forum, was opining something scolding society over that, that more people should marry young, while their hormones are still raging, and while they can more easily be producing babies, not wait to marry until they are so old, that they are nearly losing interest in sex.
Now I think age 20 is plenty old enough to get married, if you know who you want to spend the rest of your life with, and are ready. If still in college or something, I hardly see that that means you can't marry. Shared housing expense or something. Sexual relief. College students certainly are of age, to be raising families. I see nothing wrong with a college student coming to class visibly pregnant, as these are grown women who could be married, not little girls. It might be a bit too soon for babies to come along, but then, I think people over-estimate their fertility. It may take a few years to conceive a baby, or one may come "just like that." But if a baby does come early, can't it turn out to be a welcome diversion, and be a turn for the better? The trend I read, is that pregnant women are increasing working almost to their delivery date. Not so sure that's so good, but at least it shows it is possible. Having children, working a job, is a bit too much, but some people seem to be almost doing it. I much prefer the Stay-At-Home Mom, and many mothers do as well, and are leaving the workplace to do just that, and to Gasp! breed all the more!
When I was in college, I voted for the 24-hour visitation, meaning that people could bring members of the opposite sex into their dorm rooms, 24 hours of the day. Not that it would do anything for me, but I thought I shouldn't have to kick my Mom out at midnight, of the place I live—hypothetical example. I think married housing would have been mostly off-campus though. I'm not so sure if I had it to do over again, whether I should have voted the same way, as no doubt people were abusing it, and guys probably don't need to be sleeping with their girlfriends with their roommates present. But I thought that these were grown up adults that shouldn't still need chaparones or babysitters to watch them. Was I correct then? | | | |
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04-26-2008
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#42 (permalink)
| | | Sex is about so much more, than merely a temporary physical bond, so make sure it's done right. Quote:
Originally Posted by themrsir Don't think about the physical part too much, it should be the easy part.
Your dick should get hard, if it doesn't find a nice guy and see if he would like to try it.
Her pussy should get wet, if it doesn't she should find a nice gal and see if she would like to give it a try. | Well yeah, I agree that that physical part often comes incredibly easy. Nature (or God) has made it so incredibly easy, that even animals quickly figure it out, without ever being shown how to do it. Fucking isn't a taught behavior, but comes so naturally. That's one practical reason why the world population has naturally grown so incredibly "huge."
But I'm more concerned about the spiritual bonding, meeting the parents, making the proper family union, and not having the pressure of an already progressing pregnancy, rushing a couple into "tying the knot" or breaking up. Sex does not make a good foundation for a marriage, but rather is a great benefit of marriage. | | | |
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04-26-2008
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#43 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by pronatalist But I'm more concerned about the spiritual bonding, meeting the parents, making the proper family union, and not having the pressure of an already progressing pregnancy, rushing a couple into "tying the knot" or breaking up. Sex does not make a good foundation for a marriage, but rather is a great benefit of marriage. | People that are homosexual do not have to worry about pregnancy etc.
Also, for heterosexuals it would be a false dilemmna to claim the only option is to either get married or break up. There are other options. | | | |
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04-26-2008
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#44 (permalink)
| | | Let's not further high-jack this thread. Take the last word. | | | |
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04-26-2008
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#45 (permalink)
| | | First, a couple of things on your size:
I like the idea of letting her start out on top. She can make herself comfortable with your girth at her own pace. If you have trouble with erections, this could be problematic as the blood will be rushing away from your penis a bit more than if you were on top, but at your age, this shouldn't matter -- if you can't get fully erect, it's probably a psychological issue rather than a physical one.
Also, get her very aroused first, but the first few times (especially if she's a virgin or she's not used to a thick penis), consider holding off on the fingering. A vagina adjusts to the size of whatever is penetrating it, so if you are fingering her for any amount of time, her vagina will contract somewhat to tighten around the finger. Once you go to put your fatty in her after that, you're going to be much harder to take if she has adjusted to fit your finger! Fingering should be fine once you've been with a woman a few times, but keep the finger outside the vagina until then.
That said, put those oral skills to use and get her very aroused before entering her. Use lube if necessary, or maybe even if you think it's not, just to be on the safe side.
Accept that you may not be able to go balls deep right off the bat, or maybe even for a few encounters. Virgins often need a little time to adjust even to a smaller penis, so take it easy.
Try looking up positions for guys with large penises. I don't have time to go through them, but ivillage.com has a good article on positions for different body types, and one lists several positions for guys who are packing. A personal fave (which works, actually, for all but the smallest guys) is to assume a missionary position, but align the penis along the length of the vagina rather than just cramming it straight in. With your penis inserted into the vagina in this position, but not all the way, much of the base of the dick is rubbing the clit with each thrust, which greatly enhances the experience for most women and helps achieve orgasm. One caveat here -- I'm not sure whether or not this angle of penetration might actually be worse for a virgin than direct entry, since I suppose there is the possibility that it adds a little stretch to the portion of the vaginal floor that is being pressed on by the head of your dick. You could always just put the first couple of inches in to compensate for this, though.
I did want to comment on one post that said make sure you give her an orgasm. It's unlikely this will happen if you get an inexperienced woman, and somewhat unlikely with most women the first time they are with you. Every woman is different in how she reaches an orgasm, and unless she is willing to take control that first time, you may not be able to figure her out that quickly. But if you pay attention, I believe that most women will develop the ability to come with you. As for virgins; I can't imagine a virgin will come her first time in nearly any case, and especially if she's taking something with considerable girth like you. I'd suggest if she comes, question whether she was (1) faking it, or (2) lying about being a virgin!
Also, pay attention to whether she is getting sore the first few times. You may need to stop and get off through another method if she is. I can usually tell if my wife is getting sore just from the way she is acting, because we've been together so long and even if she tries to hide it, it just shows on her face. I also notice that she starts to feel dry if we've gone too long. This may be a problem for us more than for others, as she comes very quickly the first time - within a minute or so - but doesn't often have multiples (so maybe I'm not as good at this stuff as I think?). But either way, be on the lookout for those signs.
BTW, I'm not finding myself so fond of this pronatalist fella. Procreate all you want, but leave other people out of it and leave them to do their own thing. And don't say (roughly quoted because I'm too bored to look up the exact post) "I can't find anyone who doesn't admit that God's mandate is relevant." Try asking someone who... I don't know... questions or rejects the "existence" of God? We're not hard to find. We're known as the majority of those people that you are so happy to see overpopulating our dwindling resource of a planet. So let me go on record as being the first person you've found: I adamantly proclaim that your God's mandate is ENTIRELY, UNEQUIVOCALLY, AND EVERLASTINGLY IRRELEVANT to me.
However, if He has a big dick, please ask Him to post pictures, as that IS what we're here for. | | | |
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