Women please read this and tell me what you think

TheRob

alright now I'm sure guys are going to comment and that's fine, I'm not one to silence people but I am most interested in womens responces

ok so I know about this company, and the new location for the company has been open for just over a year. They are a training store so they have the most frequent promotions in the company (tied with other training stores roughly) now in the entire year, not one single female has been promoted. in the entire YEAR no women have been promoted, all men.
and that place has some good female workers to, in fact I've even heard members of management TELL at least one female worker that she is one of the best workers in the building! but when it comes time to promote someone, they seem to find some reason to promote a guy instead.
and here is the worst part, they have this girl, great worker she has missed only one day in something like a years worth of service, she is thought of very highly by all of her coworkers and managment AND she recently got done playing a fairly important role in a remodel of another store, the remodel was a 4 million dollar project. she was one of the important players in getting this 4 million dollar project done ok, and she put in for a promotion while she was gone
well, the managment team interviewed her and said she had a perfect interview (for total honesty they said her interview was terrific and had no problems, to me that is perfect right?) but she still didn't get the promotion. instead it went to a 22 year old guy who did not meet all the prerequisites for applying for the possition. see the first prereq was open availability and the guy they promoted is a full time student

I'd like to think this place isn't sexually biased but....I mean look at what I have writen here, am I wrong to think there is some sexual bias going on? or am I just paying attention?

oh! and there is more, there are fitting rooms there right (if you havn't guessed it is a clothing store) now they tell the women employees that they are not aloud to go into the mens fitting room but they have the men go into the womens fitting room. see the main reason for cleaning out the fitting rooms is twofold really, to keep it clean for the customers and for our loss prevention team. Well to the management teams thinking is that over 90% of the companies loss in theft is from the womens section and the womens fitting room is more heavily trafficed that the female employees need help to keep up but the mens fitting rooms are generally empty and women in an area men may be changing clothing will make male customers hesitant to utilize the fitting rooms (when men are shoping there)
now to me, that is an unequal relationship, you cannot tell women to keep out of the mens fitting room and in the same breath tell them that you are sending a male employee to help them keep up with the womens fitting room

am I crazy? am I overly chivilrious? am I too PC?
give me your thoughts (as breif as you can be please I expect to get a lot of responces on such a hotly charged topic)

oh btw, a female employee said that it made her uncomfortable that the men could do stuff that women can't and a male employee told her that she didn't mind! can you imagine, how in the hell can someone arrogantly tell someone ELSE what they do and don't mind?! that is so out of line I'd like to have beaten him!

LooseCannon

...penis?

TheRob

oh and I forgot to tell you this part, now as a gentleman this is the worst damn part, the men actually feel perfectly at ease sexually harrassing the female workers!
they say they will beat a girl up, or even make little fake movements with thier fist towards the womens faces!

oh, and the guys often talk about how they would like it if a stripper would come in for a show, and there is this one girl who is generously endowed (overly endowed to be blunt about it) and I heard two guys on lunch break wishing they could see her not wearing a bra sometime

I think that is out of line personally but I havn't said anything about it yet
see it's hard cus these people are like an extended network of friends
not good friends but I have friendly relationships with them you know
not sure what to do

Jennuine73

Sounds like I would not like to work there and would end up getting fired. Your perceptions aren't wrong, it is a sexist environment.

"even make fake movements with their fist towards the women's faces"???? What the fuck is that all about? HOW OLD ARE THESE GUYS? Sounds extremely juvenile. There is nothing wrong with you saying something when seeing that. "Not cool, man or what the fuck dude?" is pretty non threatening.

Obviously, if you are feeling shitty not saying something, then say something.

I could go on and on but you asked to make it brief...

Live your life with your eyes and mind wide open.

kadtxgrl

Wow! I take it you are in the USA......and I suspect your store is located in the South.

It is hard to believe that a company would take the chances that this department store is taking.....if what you say it true. Sounds like it is only a matter of time before the sexual discrimination / harrassment charges come through the roof. (When females notice whatever is going on and they band together to get a class action lawsuit or something.) If I were you, I would just keep my nose clean. Do not engage in this kind of activity yourself. I would sort of distance myself from those people that are knowingly doing wrong things. (the guys doing the fist signs in women's faces) Depends on whatever your situation is if you want to be the whistle blower......because I am sure that what this company is doing is wrong. But it could entail you not having a job anymore if the company gets shut down or if they fire you for reporting what you have seen. I know here in Texas people can be fired at will. They don't even have to have a reason. They can probably hire and promote at will too.

Anyways this all probably depends on what the laws of the state where the department store has it's business license is located.....Or that is my guess.

I am sure a law student or lawyer could give you better advice.

But yes it looks like you are in a shitty situation.

Hard to believe we havent come so far after all.....at certain companies.

Hippie Hollow girl.

TinyPrincess

So... What's new... The world has been like that for centuries... Just shows there's still room for improvement...

PussyWellington

Hmm, I wonder who you are?

thehighheelsgirl

Ya that sounds like sooner or later the fur is gonna fly! Not all girls are confrontational but once the group figures out what is going on and how its not right they'll call some lawyer and then it'll be a big deal!

Jen

Phil Ayesho

Sounds like SOME woman is gonna make out like a bandit over a lawsuit.

If all that is true... then there is a huge class action suit in the offing.

SurferGirlCA

Well, considering the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals just overturned a ruling against Goodyear for paying a female worker at least $6,000 less a year than a guy doing the same job she did (and no, it wasn't performance-based), I wouldn't assume any lawsuit will automatically be successful - especially if it's in front of a court that's lizard-brain dominated.

Do not seek the because - in love there is no because, no reason, no explanation, no solutions -- Anais Nin

Ms.Teacher

No, you're not imagining it.


That's unusual. When I worked in retail they didn't want men going into the ladies fitting rooms(possible pervs), but it was okay for the ladies to go into the men's rooms.

You're fine. I smell trouble on the horizon.

AlteredEgo

I didn't hit the lotto last week. Where do you work, Rob? I need a great lawsuit.

hypoc8

I'm sure nothing like this ever happens in the North or anywhere else in the USA. Why does it always have to be the Souths problem.

TheRob

well actually pay isn't a big deal to me, it's respect tho I guess pay is a form of respect
I'd ahve to know more about that case to comment fully BUT lets keep it on this subject please (no offense and thank you for your input)

TheRob

to say it is likely men are pervs but women arn't, is sexual harrassment of male workers