Women please read this and tell me what you think

kadtxgrl · 2 Weeks Ago

Yeah, I guess I did do some ridiculous generalization about the South there. I have only experience with 37 years of living in Texas......and 5 years of living in Virginia. All I have to go on is gut instinct and talking to people. And I do have a tendancy to exaggerate and lump things in to a group. And I was thinking of the South in terms of the Bible Belt.

TheRob · 2 Weeks Ago

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Originally Posted by Ed69s girl

TheRob I have to admit my responds is the same in both situation you need to get out of there pal. The place is fucked up no matter how you look at it. Unfortunately in todays society women always banned together and lawsuits are there favorite when they feel that they are being wronged. It is safe to say after all the responses that Womens lib has done it job and to honest I feel womens lib is the stupidest thing that ever happen. That fact the women feel they are superior to men is bullshit. Men need to start fighting to get there rights back because if they don't they will end up being flush down the drain. I don't get along with other women to well because of my stand. It is also why I don't watch sitcoms because men are always put in the dumb role and women always smarter.

Today moms don't teach there daughter to respect their fathers and literal use there sons has servant to make sure the now there place. The world we live in now is messed up.

There use to be time were a person was promoted based on the job the did. Women had respect for a men and women were never allowed in male dressing rooms and vice versa. In fact boys couldn't use the women dressing room after they turn five. Now we have co-ed showers at gyms and womens only work out clubs. So shouldn't there be mens only work out clubs but of course women would have hissy over that as will. Hell look what happen to golf, a gal threw a tatrum over a mens only golf course on the PGA tour. We live in a very one side society that in my book just ain't fair.

Although I will admit you upset me a bit about not being forth right in what is really going on at work. I felt the deceiption was wrong but understand the point you are trying to make. I think it is totally obviously that there is a double standard.

working in reverse order
4th paragraph: I do feel bad about it but when I have just tried to make the point directly EVERYONE who hears it has responded that it is no big deal
so I thought well, lets make them look at it from the way society will give me the right answer, I didn't lie about the actions only thing I liked about was male/female

3rd paragraph: I agree, there should be mens only workout clubs if the market exists, tho to be honest I have this bad feeling some guy would take that as a pass to workout naked and I'm not dealing with that lol

2nd paragraph: it is VERY true that women have almost no concern for teaching thier daughters to respect men but are always telling sons to respect women....that sets up a bullshit doublestandard that only continues on in adult hood, to be honest it's brainwashing and it's discusting that the MOTHERS of society act like that
luck of the draw on genetics litterally determines how a Mother looks at a child....it's sickening
and to every mother who is already typing a respcone about how you love your kids, you have been over teaching your son not to disrespect women right, what lessons did you teach your daughter about showing respect for men
if your answer is none, shut your mouth cus you are the people we are talking about

1st paragraph: as far as getting out of there I have, I was asked to help remodel another store (same company but different location) and I have made a very good impression on the management team there so I have decided to move to that location. (it has also been expressed to me that when a full time possition comes open I am likely to recieve it) however, I do not think the situation should be permitted to continue. I have done some looking into things, I do not have to work at the building to complain about sexual inequalities or harrassment. they are not permitted to retaliate against me (legal wise and from company policy standpoint) and there is supposedly a zero tolerance policy reguarding sexual harrassment
so I don't know my next move, I know what I want it to be but I don't know what I will do. I agree that women feel superior to men, and I agree it is bullshit. I also agree with you on the sitcoms thing. It's so annoying there is no suprise anywhere, male and female charactes have a disagreement and it is obvious that the female character will outperform the male character at every turn during the show and by the end get what she wants and be 'proven' correct.
I can think of nothing less boring

in conclusion, if you ever break up with this Ed would you like to get married?
:o) seriously I can see how a man would fall in love with you

TheRob · 2 Weeks Ago

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Originally Posted by dolfette

first, i would not shop in a store that allowed males into the female changing area.
i just wouldn't feel safe getting naked with men walking around.
i doubt many men would have safety fears...they might blush but they wouldn't feel unsafe.
it's got fuck all to do with assuming all men are preditory.

the rest is utterly shitty though. if you can record it, complain & sue. it's the only way to change things.

you are a woman
explain why you feel qualified to tell a man what does and does not bother him

if I see a woman in a lowcut top and a pushup bra I can grab her breasts because if they are on display it is obvious she does not mind them being groped...right?

see the problem with telling someone of the opposite sex what does and doesn't bother them?
I am EXPLAINING to you that it bothers me and you are sitting there claiming it dosn't bother me
next time some guy cops a feel in a bar just remember that deep down you don't really care cus your a girl and your supposed to be groped

TheRob · 2 Weeks Ago

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Originally Posted by kadtxgrl

Wow,

Just got back from a ladies retreat this weekend and I see this post has been all switched around.

The reason I responded to your post the way I did earlier when I assumed it was discrimination towards women is because I am in the South.....and there is and always has been a good ole boy's society down here.....although it may not be as strong as it has been in the past. Promoting men before women has always been the way it has always been down here. Men are seen as the bread winners for the family......and anything women make is gravy. Although in my adult lifetime I have seen more changes......more affirmative action and such. And companies trying to do the right thing.

I am curious about the department store you work for. It must have a mission statement to help and promote women. Where do you work? Lane Bryant? Mary Kay Cosmetics?

If I were you (a male) I don't think I would feel comfortable working in the environment that you describe. And you have the same choices if it was reversed like you described in the beginning. Complain......get the men to band together and file a harrassment suit. Nobody should have to endure being threatened with physical harm. (kicked in the balls etc)

I grew up in pa and currently live in sc, so the comment about it being about the South dosn't really impact the situation. to be honest at the upper levels I have seen the discrimination the other way but I have less expereience there so I can't fully comment, the only thing is when I hear about District Managers they are almost always males. So it seems almost like General Manager of a store is a type of Glass Cieling for the ladies in retail. Now, I havn't been around the upper levels like I said so it is possible that there are dozens of Female DM's I just don't knwo about as I have only had four
but at the lower levels I am seeing a clear bias in favor of women

I don't need more then myself to file a harrassment suit
the company will just lose more money if I do it that way

TheRob · 2 Weeks Ago

still four or five women had somethign to say when it was anti woman bias but are so very quiet now that it is anti male bias....
cmon ladies

Jennuine73 · 2 Weeks Ago

My opinion is the same as my original response.

What's up with telling people to shut the fuck up before they even respond??

I disagree with the generalization that mothers are not teaching their daughters to respect their fathers. I don't know where you see this happening, on TV?
Since my daughter was born I have been involved with several "Mom's Groups." Over the years, I would say I have come into close contact, developed a relationship with approximately 60 moms. Some moms did not have the same values as I do. Most of the mothers, I would say 95% taught their children to respect others.

My daughter will catch shit if I hear her disrespecting her dad. My friends react the same way. So don't paint us all by the same brush.

You claim it is the Mother's fault for the lack of respect children have for their fathers? Where is the fathers' responsibility? How is a child going to respect a father if they themselves feel respect is not deserved? How many children are growing up without a father in the home? Too damn many, that's how many. I am not saying this is the man's fault in all occasions, when it is the man's fault, does he deserve respect? How is a child going to respect a father he/she does not see?

It is all about balance. It is about respecting others. Not based on sex, based on them being a living creature.

dolfette · 2 Weeks Ago

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Originally Posted by TheRob

you are a woman
explain why you feel qualified to tell a man what does and does not bother him

if I see a woman in a lowcut top and a pushup bra I can grab her breasts because if they are on display it is obvious she does not mind them being groped...right?

see the problem with telling someone of the opposite sex what does and doesn't bother them?
I am EXPLAINING to you that it bothers me and you are sitting there claiming it dosn't bother me
next time some guy cops a feel in a bar just remember that deep down you don't really care cus your a girl and your supposed to be groped

where did i say it wouldn't bother men?
oh yeah, i didn't!
i just said it would be an issue for me.

how the fuck does your rant relate to anything in my post?

you seem like a bit of a tosser.

Ldnn · 2 Weeks Ago

Hmm, as a man I think it's fair to say that the broad generalisations throughout some of the replies don't strike a chord with my experiences.

In any event, I'd say it's a fair assumption that both parents have a responsability to teach their children to respect others, regardless of gender, sexuality, ethnicity and so on. I realise that you have your own experiences which can colour your view on life in general, but to turn this into a punch and judy "back and forth" seems to help no-one.

Perhaps the situation in the US is different to here, however I've never felt disrespected by women, possibly as I respect woman and their wishes just as I do other men and they show me the same in return. I do agree that some double standards exist and they're widely publicised, but in general people gain respect due to their character and attitude. Perhaps the problem is simply (and I realise I'm contributing to the amount of statements assuming stereotypes flying around..) lack of communication? Perhaps part of the problem is people assume equality is a synonym for lack of diversity. There's an excellent thread on the Et Cetera forum which has some pretty constructive replies (along with the usual conjecture) if anyone feels like a read.

Ed69s girl · 2 Weeks Ago

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Originally Posted by dolfette

i doubt many men would have safety fears...they might blush but they wouldn't feel unsafe.

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Originally Posted by TheRob

you are a woman
explain why you feel qualified to tell a man what does and does not bother him

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Originally Posted by dolfette

where did i say it wouldn't bother men?
oh yeah, i didn't!

It looks like you did say men wouldn't be bothered. When you say they wouldn't feel unsafe in a dressing room when a woman walked in. You screamed it and sorry but frankly I wouldn't care to have woman go into the mens dressing room any more than I would want a man going into the womens dressing room. I find that invading the privacy of the opposite sex.

Ed69s girl · 2 Weeks Ago

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Originally Posted by Jennuine73

My opinion is the same as my original response.

What's up with telling people to shut the fuck up before they even respond??

I disagree with the generalization that mothers are not teaching their daughters to respect their fathers. I don't know where you see this happening, on TV?
Since my daughter was born I have been involved with several "Mom's Groups." Over the years, I would say I have come into close contact, developed a relationship with approximately 60 moms. Some moms did not have the same values as I do. Most of the mothers, I would say 95% taught their children to respect others.

My daughter will catch shit if I hear her disrespecting her dad. My friends react the same way. So don't paint us all by the same brush.

You claim it is the Mother's fault for the lack of respect children have for their fathers? Where is the fathers' responsibility? How is a child going to respect a father if they themselves feel respect is not deserved? How many children are growing up without a father in the home? Too damn many, that's how many. I am not saying this is the man's fault in all occasions, when it is the man's fault, does he deserve respect? How is a child going to respect a father he/she does not see?

It is all about balance. It is about respecting others. Not based on sex, based on them being a living creature.

Sorry but children learn from example and yes when the mother does not respect the father what else is a child suppose to learn. What does the child learn when the mother totally disrespect the father. RESPECT IS SOMETHING LEARNED.

Ed69s girl · 2 Weeks Ago

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Originally Posted by TheRob

in conclusion, if you ever break up with this Ed would you like to get married?
:o) seriously I can see how a man would fall in love with you

Sorry Rob but I don't ever see Ed and me breaking up. He won my heart over seventeen years ago but if he should Die I would consider you.

TheRob · 1 Week Ago

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Originally Posted by Jennuine73

My opinion is the same as my original response.

What's up with telling people to shut the fuck up before they even respond??

I disagree with the generalization that mothers are not teaching their daughters to respect their fathers. I don't know where you see this happening, on TV?
Since my daughter was born I have been involved with several "Mom's Groups." Over the years, I would say I have come into close contact, developed a relationship with approximately 60 moms. Some moms did not have the same values as I do. Most of the mothers, I would say 95% taught their children to respect others.

My daughter will catch shit if I hear her disrespecting her dad. My friends react the same way. So don't paint us all by the same brush.

You claim it is the Mother's fault for the lack of respect children have for their fathers? Where is the fathers' responsibility? How is a child going to respect a father if they themselves feel respect is not deserved? How many children are growing up without a father in the home? Too damn many, that's how many. I am not saying this is the man's fault in all occasions, when it is the man's fault, does he deserve respect? How is a child going to respect a father he/she does not see?

It is all about balance. It is about respecting others. Not based on sex, based on them being a living creature.

I told them to STFU if they met some criteria not just in general
and it's nto about teaching the daughter to respect the father (that should be a given if you have a brain in your head as the mother, two parents have less work to do then one cus they are both there but if you teach that one parent is not to be respected you are doing it all yourself)
it was about teaching sons to respect 'women' just for being women, but not teaching daughters to respect men just for being men

allof your comments about the father are pointless
it's the question of men in general
the end comment is ok tho

TheRob · 1 Week Ago

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Originally Posted by dolfette

where did i say it wouldn't bother men?
oh yeah, i didn't!
i just said it would be an issue for me.

how the fuck does your rant relate to anything in my post?

you seem like a bit of a tosser.

you quite clearly said in your post that you didn't think it would be a problem for men
I was explaining that it is....

TheRob · 1 Week Ago

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Originally Posted by Ed69s girl

It looks like you did say men wouldn't be bothered. When you say they wouldn't feel unsafe in a dressing room when a woman walked in. You screamed it and sorry but frankly I wouldn't care to have woman go into the mens dressing room any more than I would want a man going into the womens dressing room. I find that invading the privacy of the opposite sex.

I think so to!
no male employee should ahve a clue what the womens dressing rooms look like and no female employee should have a clue what the mens dressing rooms look like
(unless it's after hours and we are all cleaning one out cus it got used heavy)
but the official company policy according to someone in HR is that the fitting rooms are not gender specific
so it's good to know as a company we are lieing to both our male and female customers, I mean to me a sign that says only members of a certain gender will patrol the fitting rooms sure IMPLYS gender specific fitting rooms....

TheRob · 1 Week Ago

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Originally Posted by Ed69s girl

Sorry Rob but I don't ever see Ed and me breaking up. He won my heart over seventeen years ago but if he should Die I would consider you.

alright
heres hoping for a lightning bolt!

(man I hope Ed dosn't die now I'm going to feel like shit....)