Uncut Cock - Natural is Best

Primal_Savage · 04-05-2008

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Originally Posted by Robotronic

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You can make arguments about "unhappily circumcised men" all you want, but really, whose fault is it that they're unhappy? The parents? Really? They're that upset about a flap of skin? No, I don't believe it for a second. What it really boils down to is a larger issue of self-esteem and self-acceptance. Sure, they might have been really happy without a circumcised penis, just like I'd be really happy if I were 6'2", but at a certain point, it's time to move on. I know you're going to argue that height is genetic and circumcision is the choice of the parents, but really, if no one had told me that circumcision was a surgical procedure, I wouldn't have known the difference. It's just that natural to me.

In addition, for those "thousands" or "millions" of unhappy men, there are foreskin restoration techniques and procedures. I'd be willing to bet, though, that the majority would still have self-image issues even after getting their foreskins back, even if there were a magical procedure to make it look exactly how it would have looked had their parents not circumcised them. What I would really recommend is some therapy to find out why these guys have such a hard time dealing with skin that they've never known to have existed in the first place.

Am with you all the way on this one. Tho, I think it would be neat to be uncut, I've lived with it for 38 years. Have used pumps, etc. to restore the foreskin. Not near as easy as changing my body with years of training in the gym, plus supplements. Thus, I live with it and don't piss, moan or whine over the subject.

Lampwick · 04-05-2008

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Originally Posted by Robotronic

Thank you for understanding! I'm not pro-cut per se, I'm more pro-choice (parent choice) and pro-parent's rights. Slightly unrelated, but I'm pro-choice when it comes to abortion, too. It would be interesting to see the correlation between people who are pro-choice and pro-life when it comes to abortion, and views on who has the right to decide circumcision.

Anyway, while you disagree with RIC on the basis of aesthetics, I want to open up that topic, as it's another one that gets pushed to the side by pro-cutters. I think people associate the aesthetics of a child's genitals with pedophilia and child pornography, but I want to make this a completely honest discussion. Parents want their children to resemble them. I think a father (who is cut) seeing his son with foreskin would probably be slightly taken aback because he's not used to seeing foreskin (and really, I'm being serious here, I think [I know it's not true] not having foreskin is just as good as natural because I see my dick every day without foreskin). I'm willing to bet that most (if not all) RICs are due to aesthetics.

Now I'm not saying this is a relatively good excuse for getting an infant circumcised, and I think that any father would be kidding himself if he said that he got his son circumcised solely for medical reasons. I guess my point is that that doesn't make him a bad person, and it doesn't make him a pedophile. There's just a certain bond that goes with having your child resemble you that is apparent in all humans. I'm pretty sure this is why RIC still happens today.

I'm a little baffled by the concept here. So if the father is balding and has a goatee, we shave the kid's head and paste the hair on the kid's face? And what about the considerable size discrepancy? How do we resolve the resemblance challenge there?
http://www.circumstitions.com/Images/looklike.gif

SteveHd · 04-05-2008

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Originally Posted by Robotronic

Anyway, while you disagree with RIC on the basis of aesthetics, I want to open up that topic, ...

If you wish to discuss R.I.C. and aesthetics then you should start a new thread. As it is, this thread has already been hijacked; something which happens much too often. I'm not blaming you for the hijack, though.

Everyone, let's get back to the topic.

vega · 04-05-2008

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Originally Posted by Damian Johnson

Circumcision has been around for hundreds and hundreds of years. And long after we are all long dead and gone the way of the dodo it will still be practiced and around. So learn to deal with that fact and move on.

Wait... what?

Let all take a look at that statement for a second. This single thought is the basis for so many arguments in threads of this topic.

__________ has been around for hundreds and hundreds of years. And long after we are all long dead and gone the way of the dodo it will still be practiced and around. So learn to deal with that fact and move on.

Segregation
Misogyny
Totalitarianism
Corporal punishment against children
Corporal punishment against spouses
Genocide
Racial purity stances
Forced Labor
Martial law
Theocracy
Indentured servitude

I am not directly equating circumcision to genocide or anything of that ilk. I am merely Making an example of how ridiculous that argument is regardless of the subject.

On the subject of circumcision I am opposed to it as a practice.

Above all else I am opposed to anyone disregarding basic human right for any reason regardless of personal beliefs and I can not support the torture of a helpless child.

If an adult chooses to have such a procedure done then so be it. Slice it up the middle for all I care. That is your right, as a human. Well isn't that funny. I'm right back to human rights.

vega · 04-05-2008

Here. Any person that can watch this video from start to end and with the sound turned up and then truly feels that they want to do this to their child make me very upset.

As a human how could you inflict such pain upon anyone, especially your own child. A child you would give everything you have to protect from cruelty.

Graphic content warning: This is a video of a routine modern circumcision.

Routine Infant Circumcision

erratic · 04-05-2008

Popcorn is always better when it's cooked over a flamewar

Godwining, threadjacking, clearly misunderstanding people's points, and all in three pages!

Anybody got some coca cola and lawn chairs?

dxjnorto · 04-05-2008

Vega it makes me angry too. Anyone who can hold an infant in their arms and want that to happen has a dark hole somewhere in their psyche.

Perhaps the main difference between us and members like Damian, Robotronic and their ilk is we are not able to maintain their level of ignorance.

frank389 · 04-05-2008

Vega, I couldn't watch it, those cries were just heartbreaking, I don't know how a father can watch this.

dxjnorto · 04-05-2008

It's a blot on society. Some are able to maintain the fiction that it's merely an aesthetic decision. Like how about designer vaginas for baby girls? One only has to reverse the sex of the infant and the circumciser to perceive the blind hole in reasoning. Child abuse is not medicine. Genital cutting is very much a for-profit industry.

Besides, two thirds of the guys on LPSG are intact, and will become moreso as the site becomes more international.

Good on you frank389 and the woman who bore you. Nice dick!

lenlast · 04-05-2008

Personally I prefer uncut. But some religious fanatic societies like to circumcise...

Robotronic · 04-05-2008

Again with the sensationalism. You're not hearing the baby cry because his dick is getting chopped, you're hearing him cry because his legs are strapped down (which is normal during a surgical procedure, might I add). Haven't you all ever heard a baby cry before? It sounds just like that NORMALLY. The doctor even said that they gave him a local anesthetic.

And yes, I watched the whole video. Still no flashbacks from the operating table. Must be blinded by my ignorance.

ScaredLittleBoy · 04-05-2008

Of course uncut is better than uncut. Further:

Having a choice is better than having none.

Robotronic · 04-05-2008

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Originally Posted by Lampwick

I'm a little baffled by the concept here. So if the father is balding and has a goatee, we shave the kid's head and paste the hair on the kid's face? And what about the considerable size discrepancy? How do we resolve the resemblance challenge there?
http://www.circumstitions.com/Images/looklike.gif

You know, if it validates you as a father, go right ahead. That's the whole point of my arguments. I might not necessarily agree with you, but I'll be damned if the government is going to tell me exactly how to raise my kids.

Here are some true examples:

Deaf parents want deaf children.
Tall parents want tall children.
Black parents want black children.
White parents want white children.
Parents with dwarfism (PC: little people) want children with dwarfism.
Circumcised fathers wants circumcised sons.

Robotronic · 04-05-2008

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Originally Posted by ScaredLittleBoy

Of course uncut is better than uncut. Further:

Having a choice is better than having none.

Right, then give me the choice as a father to make the decision that I feel is right for my son.

ScaredLittleBoy · 04-05-2008

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Originally Posted by Robotronic

Right, then give me the choice as a father to make the decision that I feel is right for my son.

You making the decision for your son denies your son a choice in the matter. It's trivial if it's over what to eat, what to wear, but when you remove a piece of his anatomy I think it's cruel to force the procedure on your son, who you presumably "love".

I thought if you loved someone you wanted to preserve them and not harm them

Uncut Cock - Natural is Best

Originally Posted by Robotronic ..... You can make arguments about "unhappily circumcised men" all you want, but really, whose fault is it that they're unhappy? The parents? Really? They're that upset about a flap of