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Old 04-05-2008   #16 (permalink)
frank389 is offline

I agree and disagree. If circumcision is praticed for health issues, I don't mind at all about it because the consequences could be really bad. What I don't understand is why some guys are getting their foreskin cut if they don't have a problem with it. It's like getting your appendice removed because you think it "could" be a problem. Or getting a breast ablation to avoid breast cancer.
 
Old 04-05-2008   #17 (permalink)
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Why are some of you uncut guys soo fixated with this? Let me tell you the bottom line. Circumcision has been around for hundreds and hundreds of years. And long after we are all long dead and gone the way of the dodo it will still be practiced and around. So learn to deal with that fact and move on. And I've not got a persecution complex some of you posters on this thread have a bad attitude problem. Simple as that. Let me remind you that lpsg stands for large penis support group. I will repeat it again for you so that it sinks into your brain cells. Support group. Not abuse group. Support group.so grow up.
 
Old 04-05-2008   #18 (permalink)
Robotronic is offline

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I agree and disagree. If circumcision is praticed for health issues, I don't mind at all about it because the consequences could be really bad. What I don't understand is why some guys are getting their foreskin cut if they don't have a problem with it. It's like getting your appendice removed because you think it "could" be a problem. Or getting a breast ablation to avoid breast cancer.
Cosmetically, some men prefer the look of circumcised penises. It seems that people who are circumcised dance around the aesthetic aspect of circumcision because it seems like an invalid point, but I don't think it is. I wouldn't hesitate to put circumcision into the same category as breast enlargement.

Now somebody go ahead and make some sensationalist comment about parents getting breast implants for infant daughters. I welcome your hyperbolic comments.
 
Old 04-05-2008   #19 (permalink)
_avg_ is offline

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Yeah, I'm cut, I had no choice in the matter, and I'm okay with that.
Well bully for you. I guess you're the better man?
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The cut/uncut debate is so blown out of proportion it's ridiculous.
Not to the unwillingly and unhappily cut, it isn't.
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People come in here acting like they would have resented their parents their whole lives just for making a decision that, frankly, matters very little in the big scheme of things.
Many do, and bullshit; this site is itself a testament to how important a man's penis is to him (and to his partners). Sex is anything but ancillary to life; it is central.
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I don't think that 20 years ago, before the internet and before people could just anonymously look for information about penises left and right, people cared very much either way.
Utter bullshit. This statement reeks of so much ignorance I don't even know where to begin...

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...[snip bullshit about foreskin ridicule as justification for infant circumcision]....

Argue about your perfect God-made body all you like, but in the end, does it really affect you? Do you really have to worry about it?
If this is some kind of "flesh is transitory," spiritual bullcrap: save it.

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People also forget that there's a major difference between female circumcision and male circumcision.
IRRELEVENT.
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First of all, male circumcision is an archaic (not barbaric) practice that was started because of cleanliness and convenience.
Utter bullshit. It is both archaic AND barbaric, and it largely began as one religion's way of setting itself apart and creating group identity. Even if there was historically some hygienic benefits to circumcision, a little soap and water have rendered the practice obsolete and, hence, barbaric -- especially when performed on an unconsenting human being.

The rest of your drivel is pointless...You may be a nice fellow, but your ignorance here is reprehensible.
 
Old 04-05-2008   #20 (permalink)
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i couldnt imagine being cut, id hate it to be honest, main reasons, you cant jerk off as easy without lube, lose most of the sensation in your head from rubbing on clothes
 
Old 04-05-2008   #21 (permalink)
Robotronic is offline

haha,_avg_, you're hilarious!
 
Old 04-05-2008   #22 (permalink)
_avg_ is offline

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Why are some of you uncut guys soo fixated with this?
To my knowledge this is my first time posting about circumcision. But I do feel strongly against infant circumcision because I believe in basic human rights. I may be reacting harshly to your posts because I take offense to your (apparent) blatant dismissal of this fact.

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Let me tell you the bottom line. Circumcision has been around for hundreds and hundreds of years. And long after we are all long dead and gone the way of the dodo it will still be practiced and around. So learn to deal with that fact and move on.
Brilliant rebuttal. "Well, we've always had slavery, so i guess we'll have to live with it." "Well, we've always been ruled by nobles, so I guess we'll have to live with it."

One of the great things about people is that they have a capacity for self-improvement, however seldom used.

And take note: I am not against circumcision, per se, but I am opposed to mutilating an unconsenting human being.


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And I've not got a persecution complex some of you posters on this thread have a bad attitude problem. Simple as that. Let me remind you that lpsg stands for large penis support group. I will repeat it again for you so that it sinks into your brain cells. Support group. Not abuse group. Support group.so grow up.
And see, by taking this as a personal assault on circumcised men, you have demonstrated my point.

Many here seek support for their large (or not), unwillingly circumcised penises. The only way to prevent others from needing the same support is to speak out against the practice of circumcising infants.

That is all.
 
Old 04-05-2008   #23 (permalink)
iamzin80 is offline

i have only used lube a handfull of times and im cut. I dont need it, it feels a little more natural, but its to messy. As far as being cut, i am happy i am as it is more sanitary, and you have more feeling.
 
Old 04-05-2008   #24 (permalink)
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haha,_avg_, you're hilarious!
No, I'm serious. I don't know you or have anything against you and I'm willing to believe you're a nice enough guy, so don't misinterpret, but if you are ever have a baby boy take heed to what I said on the last page: "Listen to the thousands (millions?) of unwillingly and unhappily circumcised men. Listen to the thousands (millions?) of men who chose to be circumcised as adults. Consider the value of having a choice in the matter."
 
Old 04-05-2008   #25 (permalink)
Robotronic is offline

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i have only used lube a handfull of times and im cut. I dont need it, it feels a little more natural, but its to messy. As far as being cut, i am happy i am as it is more sanitary, and you have more feeling.
Seconded! Cut men can still jerk off without lube, there's just less skin to do so (but still plenty). Also, the myth about "decreased sensation" because of rubbing on your clothing is really not THAT true. Yes, if you go commando and your dick is rubbing against rough denim all day, then there is temporary irritation, but if you wear underwear of any kind, you'll be alright. I'm sure there is less overall sensation than if I weren't cut, but honestly, I've never known better so it doesn't affect me.

I'm not saying this to try to convince people to get cut, I'm just saying that my quality of my sex life is in no way hindered by being cut.
 
Old 04-05-2008   #26 (permalink)
SteveHd is offline

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Cosmetically, some men prefer the look of circumcised penises. It seems that people who are circumcised dance around the aesthetic aspect of circumcision because it seems like an invalid point, but I don't think it is. ...
The "aesthetic aspect" is a valid point and, strangely(?), we agree about that. You seem to be pro-cut but many of the pro-cutters evade or dismiss aesthetics, for whatever reasons. I happen to believe it's a good reason for an adult circumcision, not R.I.C. though. Cutting an infant for "aesthetics" is something many people can't get their heads around [no pun intended] and I guess that's why the pro-cutters evade it.

You were brave to mention such a touchy point.
 
Old 04-05-2008   #27 (permalink)
Robotronic is offline

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No, I'm serious. I don't know you or have anything against you and I'm willing to believe you're a nice enough guy, so don't misinterpret, but if you are ever have a baby boy take heed to what I said on the last page: "Listen to the thousands (millions?) of unwillingly and unhappily circumcised men. Listen to the thousands (millions?) of men who chose to be circumcised as adults. Consider the value of having a choice in the matter."
Look, you've tried to prove your point here several times, but you're not getting anywhere by editorializing and making arguments ridden with fallacy. I understand you want infants to have the right to not get circumcised until they are adults and can choose for themselves, but the fact of the matter is that parents have the right to make decisions for their children.

You can make arguments about "unhappily circumcised men" all you want, but really, whose fault is it that they're unhappy? The parents? Really? They're that upset about a flap of skin? No, I don't believe it for a second. What it really boils down to is a larger issue of self-esteem and self-acceptance. Sure, they might have been really happy without a circumcised penis, just like I'd be really happy if I were 6'2", but at a certain point, it's time to move on. I know you're going to argue that height is genetic and circumcision is the choice of the parents, but really, if no one had told me that circumcision was a surgical procedure, I wouldn't have known the difference. It's just that natural to me.

In addition, for those "thousands" or "millions" of unhappy men, there are foreskin restoration techniques and procedures. I'd be willing to bet, though, that the majority would still have self-image issues even after getting their foreskins back, even if there were a magical procedure to make it look exactly how it would have looked had their parents not circumcised them. What I would really recommend is some therapy to find out why these guys have such a hard time dealing with skin that they've never known to have existed in the first place.
 
Old 04-05-2008   #28 (permalink)
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Seconded! Cut men can still jerk off without lube, there's just less skin to do so (but still plenty).
Lucky you. Not all circumcised males are that lucky.

Consider that in circumcising an infant, the doctor is removing small amounts of skin that would grow with the boy to become considerably larger at adulthood. A very small difference in foreskin removed can make the difference between a tight circumcision and a loose circumcision at adulthood.

Not all adult males circumcised at birth have any loose shaft skin, let alone "plenty".
 
Old 04-05-2008   #29 (permalink)
iamzin80 is offline

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Lucky you. Not all circumcised males are that lucky.

Consider that in circumcising an infant, the doctor is removing small amounts of skin that would grow with the boy to become considerably larger at adulthood. A very small difference in foreskin removed can make the difference between a tight circumcision and a loose circumcision at adulthood.

Not all adult males circumcised at birth have any loose shaft skin, let alone "plenty".
Ya i thought about that when i wrote my post, i feel for all the clean up jobs people of that sort have had to deal with. My god I was pissed when i started to cum. I remember the good ol days of jerking off and having a orgasim with nothing coming out of me and nothing to clean up
 
Old 04-05-2008   #30 (permalink)
Robotronic is offline

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The "aesthetic aspect" is a valid point and, strangely(?), we agree about that. You seem to be pro-cut but many of the pro-cutters evade or dismiss aesthetics, for whatever reasons. I happen to believe it's a good reason for an adult circumcision, not R.I.C. though. Cutting an infant for "aesthetics" is something many people can't get their heads around [no pun intended] and I guess that's why the pro-cutters evade it.

You were brave to mention such a touchy point.
Thank you for understanding! I'm not pro-cut per se, I'm more pro-choice (parent choice) and pro-parent's rights. Slightly unrelated, but I'm pro-choice when it comes to abortion, too. It would be interesting to see the correlation between people who are pro-choice and pro-life when it comes to abortion, and views on who has the right to decide circumcision.

Anyway, while you disagree with RIC on the basis of aesthetics, I want to open up that topic, as it's another one that gets pushed to the side by pro-cutters. I think people associate the aesthetics of a child's genitals with pedophilia and child pornography, but I want to make this a completely honest discussion. Parents want their children to resemble them. I think a father (who is cut) seeing his son with foreskin would probably be slightly taken aback because he's not used to seeing foreskin (and really, I'm being serious here, I think [I know it's not true] not having foreskin is just as good as natural because I see my dick every day without foreskin). I'm willing to bet that most (if not all) RICs are due to aesthetics.

Now I'm not saying this is a relatively good excuse for getting an infant circumcised, and I think that any father would be kidding himself if he said that he got his son circumcised solely for medical reasons. I guess my point is that that doesn't make him a bad person, and it doesn't make him a pedophile. There's just a certain bond that goes with having your child resemble you that is apparent in all humans. I'm pretty sure this is why RIC still happens today.
 

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