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Originally Posted by mercurialbliss Meaningless is not the right word. There may be meaning in a temporary arrangement but it is defined by that word. The physical may have no limitations but everything else does.

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Old 04-01-2008   #31 (permalink)
Drifterwood is offline

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Meaningless is not the right word. There may be meaning in a temporary arrangement but it is defined by that word. The physical may have no limitations but everything else does.

What you're suggesting is that one is thought to be ideal while the other isn't. I say neither is ideal for any one person unless they believe it to be so for themselves.
People will get no argument when they say that a period of celibacy is a good thing, reflection, self analysis etc. No one will say that what you have and what Gillettte wants are a bad thing either. Yet we are constantly hearing on his board and elsewhere that a position in between is meaningless.

Traditionally you can kiss a few frogs to find your Prince, but don't get kissing Princes just for the fun of it even if they turn out to be frogs.


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I had a fuck buddy for 18 years. We respected each other, liked each other and fucked each other when the itch arose. The sex was always intense but in the end not as satisfying as what I've had with a loving relationship.

If the sex is good, I'm going to want it on a regular basis.

I'm not asking you to defend your desires. I shouldn't have to defend mine.
All sex can be emotionally satisfying, if it satisfies the emotions you need satisfying. I also think that satisfying sex just for its own sake is good for body and soul.

I don't think the equation is mutually exclusive as you say, for you yes, but should we tell people that it is universally, which does seem to be what happens. Namely, that the only truly satisfying relationship is one which two people commit everything to each other, plan a family etc etc..

I am absolutely not saying that you shouldn't want this and make it a condition to your love life, and accept that that in between you may not have a shared sex life, but there are a lot of people post women's lib in the UK at least, who are happy to have a sex life just for it's own sake.

DF finds it meaningless now, fine, lots of people do. All I am saying is that for others it isn't. It is satisfying emotionally, it is an interesting journey.

Babies eh?
 
Old 04-01-2008   #32 (permalink)
Dragonfly20 is offline

Ok!
Looks like I will have to give a more indepth explaination.
Let me lay it out for all the on line "crows" to pick at.
When I got involved with my ex-boyfriend (fuck it yes! This story..AGAIN!)
When I got involved with him my sexuality was dead..I was asexual.
He not only woke it up but he discovered depths I didn't know exisited.
He gave me a hunger and a willinness to explore my sexuality.
This was a journey that I had fully expected to do with him. (He had never, not once given me reason not to belive this).
He awoke the appetite, the need to explore.
And in short he was DAMN good!!
I have in the past four yeas explored my sexuality and I don't, by any degree belive I am finished exploring.
But in my amorous travels I keep waiting for "the fire works" to happen.
Have I had pleasure? YES I have.
Have I had attentive and caring partners? YES I have.
But this emptyness plagues me.
I am a hedonist, I take my pleasure seriously.
But it HAS gotten to the point that the emptyness has become greater than the pleasure, regardless of what sort of out look I have.
 
Old 04-01-2008   #33 (permalink)
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People will get no argument when they say that a period of celibacy is a good thing, reflection, self analysis etc. No one will say that what you have and what Gillettte wants are a bad thing either. Yet we are constantly hearing on his board and elsewhere that a position in between is meaningless.
You're preaching to the choir. I ended a friendship with another woman because she felt my lifestyle was deplorable and should've wanted something more "meaningful". I was "too old" to be doing this sort of thing and needed to think about "settling down" because "you can't do this forever". What she and others don't get is that women aren't encouraged to pursue the lifestyle of which you speak. You're fortunate in that regard. But I didn't let that stop me. It was meaningful to me in that I discovered men could, in fact, be your friend as well as your lover. It's all about respect. People want to believe we're hedonists without feelings when we venture into these kind of relationships. At some point, you have to stop caring what other people think and do what is good for you and that's exactly what I did.
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Traditionally you can kiss a few frogs to find your Prince, but don't get kissing Princes just for the fun of it even if they turn out to be frogs.
Traditionally you're the only gender who is encouraged to kiss as many frogs as you like and freely admit it.
 
Old 04-01-2008   #34 (permalink)
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I don't want to hijack DF's thread, but I do find the post feminist dilemma that women face very interesting. What to do with freedom? Is the fredom real?

I have women friends who have tried every computation of settle down early have kids, don' settle down follow your career, then regret not having kids or not finding the right guy or the right guy being the wrong guy, etc etc

I always think the divorce rate is the guage of what a difficult choice it is. I also have a ruck of male friends in their late thirties who are just not interested in settling down.

I wonder if the next generation will come up with something better.
 
Old 04-02-2008   #35 (permalink)
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Old 04-03-2008   #36 (permalink)
zkrueger is offline

Well, I stopped masturbating in May of last year. And I've never had sex. So when it comes to celibacy, I know what's up.

Kinda odd, actually. There was the longest time where I didn't have a wet dream, then for a while I had them All The Time, like every other night or more. It's was crazy. Now I'm back in the dry spell.
 
Old 04-03-2008   #37 (permalink)
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