Hillary Clinton cares nothing for democracy

HazelGod · 03-27-2008

This is nothing anecdotal, nor reported from a newswire or any third party. This happened to me, this very day.

As someone who attended the primary caucuses here in Texas, my wife was selected as a democratic county convention delegate. During the caucus, each person wrote out their name, voter registration number, contact info, and choice of candidate...in her case, Barack Obama. This information is in the public record. Only this week has the local party chosen delegates from the various precincts to attend the county convention this Saturday. The list of delegates selected is also in the public record.

Today, we received a pre-recoded telephone call from an 877 number at my house from the Hillary Clinton campaign, reminding us that we were not bound to actually vote for the candidate we had chosen during the caucus and urging us to support her for president at the convention this weekend. When I dialed the number, it went directly to a voice mailbox which told me I could leave my number if I wanted it removed from their list. They would be happy to do so, when time permits.

At the time of the call, my wife was actually at a party preparatory meeting where the delegates were being instructed in the processes for this weekend's conventions...when I told her about this call, she was unsurprised as most of the Obama delegates in her meeting had already received similar calls from Clinton's campaign and were sharing their tales.

So, all my beliefs about Hillary have been confirmed firsthand: She is nothing more than a completely self-serving liar who will go to any length to further her aspirations to power, regardless of the rules that she bends or the damage she does to the democratic ideals or the political institutions she supposedly cares for and claims to represent. She is the last person I want anywhere near the Oval Office.

Zorkmid · 03-27-2008

Dude, no offense, but if you aren't cheating, you're not trying hard enough.

Zoe73 · 03-27-2008

I'm confused.

You do the caucus and then a month later you go to a local/county convention to record the delegate vote (officially?)

Zoe73 · 03-27-2008

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Originally Posted by HazelGod

This is nothing anecdotal, nor reported from a newswire or any third party. This happened to me, this very day.

As someone who attended the primary caucuses here in Texas, my wife was selected as a democratic county convention delegate. During the caucus, each person wrote out their name, voter registration number, contact info, and choice of candidate...in her case, Barack Obama. This information is in the public record. Only this week has the local party chosen delegates from the various precincts to attend the county convention this Saturday. The list of delegates selected is also in the public record.

Today, we received a pre-recoded telephone call from an 877 number at my house from the Hillary Clinton campaign, reminding us that we were not bound to actually vote for the candidate we had chosen during the caucus and urging us to support her for president at the convention this weekend. When I dialed the number, it went directly to a voice mailbox which told me I could leave my number if I wanted it removed from their list. They would be happy to do so, when time permits.

At the time of the call, my wife was actually at a party preparatory meeting where the delegates were being instructed in the processes for this weekend's conventions...when I told her about this call, she was unsurprised as most of the Obama delegates in her meeting had already received similar calls from Clinton's campaign and were sharing their tales.

So, all my beliefs about Hillary have been confirmed firsthand: She is nothing more than a completely self-serving liar who will go to any length to further her aspirations to power, regardless of the rules that she bends or the damage she does to the democratic ideals or the political institutions she supposedly cares for and claims to represent. She is the last person I want anywhere near the Oval Office.

Her campaign is all over the place. Just imagine how schizophrenic her administration would be.

What sickens me is that if you're getting phone calls like that - you know she is going to do the same kind of shenanigans at the DNC.

Zoe73 · 03-27-2008

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Originally Posted by Zorkmid

Dude, no offense, but if you aren't cheating, you're not trying hard enough.

Tell that to Spitzer.

amhersthungboi · 03-28-2008

Just to reply to the title of the thread: Remember, it was the Obama camp that broke down talks in Michigan and Florida to allow those states to have a voice in the process. His claim -- you need to follow the rules.

The rules of the DNC also state that a pledged delegate is not obligated to vote for anyone.

So, the moral of the story: Obama cares nothing about the democracy of Florida and Michigan because that's the rules, but BE DAMNED if someone else want to play by the letter of the rules.

VeeP · 03-28-2008

I'm convinced she (they) will burn down the house before it's over. But, how do we know the Obama campaign isn't also making calls?

HazelGod · 03-28-2008

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Originally Posted by Zoe73

I'm confused.

You do the caucus and then a month later you go to a local/county convention to record the delegate vote (officially?)

That's correct, sort of. The party delegates awarded from the caucuses aren't official until the Texas state convention is held on June 6th & 7th. The caucuses (technically called precinct conventions) that were held on the same day as the primary election was the first step in the process. The county party conventions this weekend are the next step...this Saturday, delegates from each precinct will caucus again, and will select delegates to go on to the state convention in June. From that meeting, Texas will select 67 delegates to attend the Democratic National Convention in Denver along with the 126 delegates chosen by the primary election.

HazelGod · 03-28-2008

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Originally Posted by amhersthungboi

Just to reply to the title of the thread: Remember, it was the Obama camp that broke down talks in Michigan and Florida to allow those states to have a voice in the process. His claim -- you need to follow the rules.

The rules of the DNC also state that a pledged delegate is not obligated to vote for anyone.

So, the moral of the story: Obama cares nothing about the democracy of Florida and Michigan because that's the rules, but BE DAMNED if someone else want to play by the letter of the rules.

Neither Obama, nor Clinton for that matter, are in any way responsible for the situation of the voters in Florida or Michigan, nor are they responsible for rectifying same. It's a state and party matter. The consistent mantra coming from the Obama campaign is that they will abide by any decision of the DNC. End of story. To assert that either candidate does or doesn't care about democracy based on those states is the height of willful ignorance.

In any case, it's really not comparable to Clinton directly requesting delegates to subvert the will of those they have been selected to represent. It's undemocratic, it's dirty...and it's precisely what I should have expected from Hillary Clinton, the liar.

amhersthungboi · 03-28-2008

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Originally Posted by HazelGod

The consistent mantra coming from the Obama campaign is that they will abide by any decision of the DNC. End of story.

In 1982 the DNC decided "pledged" delegates would not actually be pledged, but could exercise their best judgement. That's the decision of the DNC. End of story.

wi_sugargrl · 03-28-2008

And this surprises you? She's going to do anything and everything, no matter how unethical, to get those votes! I got 2 phone calls from her campaign and I'm a fucking REPUBLICAN!!! A republican, however, who is supporting Obama

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Sugar

LeeEJ · 03-28-2008

I started saying last fall that the 2008 race will be the Democrats' to lose. That is, the only way they won't put a Democratic nominee in the White House is if they screw it up somehow. The next presidency is theirs for the taking... as long as they don't self-destruct on the way there.

I can't believe it, but it might actually come true. They might blow it.

HazelGod · 03-28-2008

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Originally Posted by amhersthungboi

In 1982 the DNC decided "pledged" delegates would not actually be pledged, but could exercise their best judgement. That's the decision of the DNC. End of story.

Nice out-of-context quote. What's your fucking point, douchebag?

amhersthungboi · 03-28-2008

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Originally Posted by HazelGod

Nice out-of-context quote. What's your fucking point, douchebag?

Again with the name calling hey?
It is hypocritical for the Obama camp to follow the letter of the DNC rule regarding MI and FL, then to bitch about the DNC rule regarding pledged delegates.

If Obama is truly worthy of the presidency, he shouldn't have any problem keeping his delegates, right?

HazelGod · 03-28-2008

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Originally Posted by amhersthungboi

It is hypocritical for the Obama camp to follow the letter of the DNC rule regarding MI and FL, then to bitch about the DNC rule regarding pledged delegates.

If Obama is truly worthy of the presidency, he shouldn't have any problem keeping his delegates, right?

Pay attention, shortbus...the Obama campaign hasn't "bitched" about Hillary's dirty-ass dishonest tactics of trying to steal delegates. *I* was personally bitching about it based on the phone call we got today.

If you want to try to defend the technical legality of your dishonest cunt of a candidate's tactics, be my guest...but don't try to paint Barack Obama with the same shitstained brush.

Hillary Clinton cares nothing for democracy

This is nothing anecdotal, nor reported from a newswire or any third party. This happened to me, this very day. As someone who attended the primary caucuses here in Texas, my wife was selected as