Hillary Clinton cares nothing for democracy

amhersthungboi

Actually, they just were on CNN, saying is subverts democracy. Care about democracy so much, and afraid DNC rules might be counter to democracy? Then do everything in your power (Obama) to count the MI and FL votes.

You must see the analogy to the MI/FL debacle ... seeing as you are calling others shortbus.

Flashy

well, either way, by the time this whole shit throwing fest is over, the two sides will have alienated the other's base so badly, and made each other look so bad, that they will have done all the Republicans dirty work/campaining for them...

Right now, McCain is criss-crossing the world, meeting with foreign dignitaries, running a virtual "rose garden" campaign, and he doesn't even have the Rose Garden yet. He is above all the mudslinging for now, since he is a lock for the nomination, so the only time that will happen is in the relatively short window between August and November...he has been given all his ammo against either candidate

He gets to look presidential and dignified and "above it all" for the next 5 months while the dems rip into each other even more.

The bad blood is so palpable between these two candidates' base, that already polling is showing that 28% of Hillary supporters will vote for McCain if Obama wins, and 18% of Obama supporters will vote for McCain instead of Hillary.

Even if that number is overstated, let's say by double (14% and/or 9%) that is more then enough to give McCain victory...

boy the dems are really screwing this one up...it was their election to lose... and it looks like they are doing that so far...or at least trying to.

frankly, i hate both parties.

HazelGod

In the unlikely story that is America, there has never been anything false about Hope.

amhersthungboi

Watch CNN, the story is running every so often.

HazelGod

You mean like this one?

Or perhaps you were thinking of this one?

Maybe one could argue that her disgusting behavior doesn't technically violate the letter of the rule, but it definitely runs counter to its intent as well as to the notion of a democratic process in general.

But here's my favorite quote from that piece:

As the call I received today proves once again, HILLARY CLINTON IS A LIAR.

In the unlikely story that is America, there has never been anything false about Hope.

TinyPrincess

So true!!!

Oncamale28

yes she seems to take a "win no matter what it takes" attitude. but Arkansas politics work that way and that's all she knows. what really gets me is when she goes for the tear in the eye when things arent going her way, dont think we need a pres that cries everytime a world leader challenges her...

SpeedoMike

then I can assume you won't be voting for her this November??

HazelGod

In the unlikely story that is America, there has never been anything false about Hope.

Zoe73

That's incorrect.

Michigan state primary laws stopped a re-vote, not Obama's group. The ACLU argued in front of a federal judge that the [Michigan] law's provision giving the list of voters' partisan preference only to the Democratic and Republican parties violated the rights of other parties. The judge ruled in favor of the ACLU, Michigan's primary law was unconstitutional and illegal.

"Michigan Democratic Party Chairman Mark Brewer said the ruling may have ended any chances of a new Democratic election to resolve the ongoing dispute over the state's delegation to the Democratic National Convention. The state [democratic] party, needs the list to ensure that no one who voted in the Republican primary in January votes in any new Democratic contest, as required under the national party's rules." Michigan was an open primary - voters did not have to vote with their affiliated democratic or republican party on Jan. 15th.

"If the Michigan Democratic Party cannot get the (voter) lists, then our friends at the ACLU may have driven the final nail in the coffin of any re-vote in Michigan," Brewer said.

A federal judge and the Michigan Democratic party chairman are saying state primary laws MUST comply with the national DNC laws.

Zoe73

Apparently, the Clinton Camp's outrage over disenfranchising voters is limited to Michigan and Florida.

Late last night, Dallas was reporting that Clinton's Texas campaign is challenging the seating of delegates from numerous precincts for Saturday’s Democratic county conventions, particularly in caucus precincts that Obama won.

Just before Wednesday’s deadline to file complaints before the county convention credentials committee, Clinton campaign officials delivered a large packet of challenges.

Check it here:
Clinton camp challenges delegates for Texas county Democratic caucuses | Dallas Morning News | News for Dallas, Texas | Latest News


State Senate District 23, which includes much of southern Dallas County, was a central target of the Clinton campaign. "There are numerous challenges," said Dallas County District Clerk Gary Fitzsimmons, who is temporary chairman of the District 23 credentials committee. The district went solidly for Mr. Obama in the primary, and there’s a question over whether Mrs. Clinton will reach the 15 percent threshold needed to receive delegates.

Whatever they did not resolve last night - they have to do on Saturday before anyone is seated. She's going to try to stop Obama's candidates from being seated.

Hillary Clinton does not care about the democratic process.

Zoe73

or that it's because she's woman...
or that it's because of right-wing conspiracies against her and her hubby
or that it's because she thought Al Gore was going to be President

She's not about solutions, she's about arguments and excuses.

I can hear her now, some other country is out to get her, personally, if she fails. She's a joke.

Zoe73

Again. That is INCORRECT.

MI state primary laws are hosed. Michigan cannot release voter partisan preference to Repubs and Democrats only. Without voter lists they cannot do a re-vote, because they cannot ensure their re-vote would be fair - and bar anyone that voted previously in the open primary and has already cast a republican ballot.

amhersthungboi

The argument is that Obama will accept any DNC decision, as correctly stated by HazelGod. If that is the case, then Obama must also accept the 1982 DNC decision that pledged delegates are not bound to their candidate, and can switch candidates prior to the convention vote. Accordingly, Clinton can try to convince pledged delegates to switch sides.

Ultimately, both sides are left in an indefensible position.

Obama: Honor DNC rules regarding MI and FL (0 delegates), but the DNC rules regarding pledged delegates is unseemly

Clinton: Honor DNC rules regarding pledged delegates, but override DNC rules regarding MI and FL

This complex position is why I increasingly think neither candidate is fit for the nomination and a 3rd party should step forward.

To be clear, though:

If Obama wins the nomination, I will not vote for him (bar a catastrophic pick for the McCain VP)

If Clinton wins the nomination, I will vote for her (bar a catastrophic pick for her own VP)

TinyPrincess

I thought it was renamed to the Oral Office some 10 years ago??? ;-)