50% gay, 50% straight?

Charles Finn · 03-30-2008

for me it is as simple as i like both sexes but I like guys more and from my experiences women play too many games but thats just me
I became fully bi in 1996 when I had great sex with a friend girl and was like wow this is great
so i still prefer guys but girls rule too

Funkalicious · 03-30-2008

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Originally Posted by Phil Ayesho

As I kinda said... I am claiming that EVERY man is wired bisexual from the beginning.

Its simply a matter of experience that either awakens you to that fact... or suppresses it.

I think all male children go thru a period of sexual plasticity in which they are kinda turned on by anything even remotely sexual.

depending upon what happens to you in this period, you can turn out as the kind of man who thinks jerking off with your buddies is not that strange... or the kind of man who is not all that averse to screwing a sheep when its been awhile...

Its pretty clear that homophobes are men who, during this period of plasticity, were horribly shamed by some authority figure for their curiosity...
So they grow up to hate and deny these feelings... even seeking out those that induce these hated feelings and 'punishing them' for creating this conflict...

While I think we tend to be wired with a some form of preference... that is, some men will have far more interest in the opposite sex and some far more in the same sex... but most will be some point in the middle...

and just where they end up will have a lot to do with their experiences.

I think its possible for a guy who really prefers women to learn to enjoy sex with men.

It doesn't change his preference... he's simply figured out that sex feels good no matter what.

What a load of opinionated un-scientific drivvel

Corius · 03-30-2008

What do we have to go on in this discussion? Is there any scientific measure to determine how any man can be judged to be 50% gay and 50% straight? I know of none therefore all we have to go on is each man's assessment of the correct percentages. My own is a guess and I suspect that most others had to do a bit of guessing too unless they came near to 100% on either side. I know from my own experience that I have been able to be happy and satisfied in long term relationships on both side. Yet I have spent the last many years as a faithful married man. I guessed 30% gay because when I do see my old male partners I still get that old feeling; I just do not act on it. When one is happy in a loving and committed relationship why would one want to change?
As for the public, they are free to make whatever guesses they want about my sexual orientation. One hopes in posting that others may benefit from one's opinion, observations, hunches, etc. That is what this site is all about. Right?

Phil Ayesho · 03-31-2008

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Originally Posted by Funkalicious

What a load of opinionated un-scientific drivvel

No... its an argument.

A level of discourse your response fails to rise to...

Hung Jon · 03-31-2008

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Originally Posted by Phil Ayesho

I think its just as amusing that you are so mentally bound by your own assumptions that you actually think a woman's mouth feels any different than a man's.

Your dick being sucked is your dick being sucked... the only difference to your nervous system between a woman's mouth, a man's mouth, or a sex toy, is what you THINK about it.

I know a fat homely nurse who could get you to come in 7 seconds with her finger in your ass... whether you want to or not.

Whether you enjoy it or not has to do with a belief system... not biology.

I think it feels a lot different having my dick in a mouth, connected to a person that I think is attractive. It's not about what I think but rather how I feel about that person.

Phil Ayesho · 03-31-2008

Still somethin happening in your MIND, Jon.

Look, I am not saying attraction doesn't dictate your preference...
I am not saying folks don't have preferences...

All I am saying is that sexual stimulation feels good whether its the man/woman of your dreams or the spin cycle on the dryer.

And because of that... you have a capacity to LEARN to enjoy sexual stimulation with just about anyone and, to be honest, anything.

I am not even saying you OUGHT to do so... just that, the only thing in the way is your attitude... your feelings... your judgements... your inhibitions....

All software, easily re-programmable.

It would never make a gay man straight... nor vice versa... but it would make them able to appreciate pleasure, in whatever form it came.

I have enjoyed sucking cock and having it sucked by a man... even though I have no interest at all in ever kissing a man.

I am wired to prefer women.... like I might be wired to prefer meat....
but vegetables, if that's all there is, will still keep me alive and still satisfy my hunger.

DC_DEEP · 03-31-2008

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Originally Posted by snoozan

If you'll just admit that you want me, sex machine, we'd be a lot better off in this discussion.

I don't have to admit it, clit-o-mongo. Phil admitted it for me.

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Originally Posted by Phil Ayesho

Love this kind of retort... so, how do you say... 12 years old?

Believe what you want.... pleasure is pleasure.... your prejudices are your own problem.

Being a heterophobe is absolutely no different than being a homophobe.

Deal with it... or don't...
I could care less.

eta-
your doctor knows far more about your physiology than you ever will... the little rubber hammer makes your knee jerk if you're normal...

...its not a comment on your character.

You are still assuming that you know what I find pleasurable. Did it ever occur to you that maybe I don't enjoy blowjobs? Where did this "heterophobe" shit come from? Just because I say I have no sexual interest in women, you call me a heterophobe? That's pretty childish.

You don't have a clue how much I know about physiology, and you are not my doctor. You are, however, making yourself look pretty foolish. I don't know how I can make it any more explicit - I have no sexual interest in women whatsoever. You can make your claims about what you know about my orientation all you want to, but you are clueless.

And you can have sex with all the men, women, vegetables, and animals you want to, but that does not make it of any interest to me.

HaagenDazs · 03-31-2008

YAWN @ this thread turning into another "I'm smarter than you" "No I'm smarter than you" "My opinion is law" "No, my opinion is the law" thread.

Anyway, people have their own preferences. And they don't have to answer to anyone about those preferences or fit into anyone's box, be it scientific or otherwise. You are what you. And as long as you respect other people's preferences you should be respected for you.

If you're gay, gay it up.

If you're lesbian, lesbian it up.

If you're straight, straight it up.

Live your life. Just have respect for everyone's own preferences.

rico27 · 03-31-2008

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Originally Posted by HaagenDazs

YAWN @ this thread turning into another "I'm smarter than you" "No I'm smarter than you" "My opinion is law" "No, my opinion is the law" thread.

Anyway, people have their own preferences. And they don't have to answer to anyone about those preferences or fit into anyone's box, be it scientific or otherwise. You are what you. And as long as you respect other people's preferences you should be respected for you.

If you're gay, gay it up.

If you're lesbian, lesbian it up.

If you're straight, straight it up.

Live your life. Just have respect for everyone's own preferences.

I couldn't have said it any better...well said!

senor rubirosa · 03-31-2008

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Originally Posted by Phil Ayesho

Your dick being sucked is your dick being sucked... the only difference to your nervous system between a woman's mouth, a man's mouth, or a sex toy, is what you THINK about it.

That may even be true, but are you saying that thoughts are ever not present?
You are not relating simply to a tongue and set of lips ... you are relating to an entire being.
I wish good luck and a lot of patience to a woman who ever tries to bring me off. My whole preference runs the other way.
You should not extrapolate too confidently from your own experience.
You are you. I am me.

DC_DEEP · 03-31-2008

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Originally Posted by senor rubirosa

That may even be true, but are you saying that thoughts are ever not present?
You are not relating simply to a tongue and set of lips ... you are relating to an entire being.
I wish good luck and a lot of patience to a woman who ever tries to bring me off. My whole preference runs the other way.
You should not extrapolate too confidently from your own experience.
You are you. I am me.

I may be in the minority, SR, but I have never had anonymous sex. I have never had sex with just "a mouth" or "an ass" or "a cock" or "a pussy." Every person with whom I have ever had sex, there was some other attracting feature, not just genitalia or lips.

And I don't understand why anyone would confuse orientation with autonomic physiological response. I'm sure a physician could give me an injection that could induce an instant erection, but that doesn't mean I have any desire to fuck a syringe.

senor rubirosa · 03-31-2008

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Originally Posted by DC_DEEP

I may be in the minority, SR, but I have never had anonymous sex. I have never had sex with just "a mouth" or "an ass" or "a cock" or "a pussy." Every person with whom I have ever had sex, there was some other attracting feature, not just genitalia or lips.

The only distinction between your experience and mine is that yes, I have had anonymous, unlike you ... but, like you would undoubtedly do if you were unavoidably in that situation, I was choosing not just "a mouth" or "an ass," or whatever, but a whole set of attracting features, beginning with the person's basic vibe.
And I'm not at all sure you're in the minority, DC.

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Originally Posted by DC_DEEP

And I don't understand why anyone would confuse orientation with autonomic physiological response. I'm sure a physician could give me an injection that could induce an instant erection, but that doesn't mean I have any desire to fuck a syringe.

QFT.

Phil Ayesho · 03-31-2008

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Originally Posted by senor rubirosa

That may even be true, but are you saying that thoughts are ever not present?
You are not relating simply to a tongue and set of lips ... you are relating to an entire being.
I wish good luck and a lot of patience to a woman who ever tries to bring me off. My whole preference runs the other way.
You should not extrapolate too confidently from your own experience.
You are you. I am me.

Again... folks keep mixing up THINKING with physiology.

Trust me... with a long enough absence from sexual release... you could learn to get off with ANYTHING... even the knothole in a fence.

It has nothing to do with preferences, nothing to do with attraction.

I am saying all human beings have the potential to change their attitudes and inhibitions.

As I said, it won't mean you change the gender you feel attracted to.
It won't make sex with the other gender MEANINGFUL to you... nor romantic... not even fall in love material....

There is a difference between wanking off and investing your heart.
Learning to enjoy other forms of stimulus is closer to wanking off.

And, Again... as I said... a lot of these attitudes get programmed into us at a very young age...
Once conditioned, and later reinforced.. these preferences can certainly become so deeply ingrained as to be very difficult to alter.

Phil Ayesho · 03-31-2008

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Originally Posted by DC_DEEP

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You are still assuming that you know what I find pleasurable. Did it ever occur to you that maybe I don't enjoy blowjobs? Where did this "heterophobe" shit come from? Just because I say I have no sexual interest in women, you call me a heterophobe? That's pretty childish..

Childish? Really?

More so than the "you're not the boss of me" response?

IF you can't see the similarity between the absolutism of homophobia... and what you claim to be the impossibility of you having a pleasurable response to a woman stimulating your dick... then you are pretty fully invested in that belief system.

Sounds like a religion more than an argument.

rob_just_rob · 03-31-2008

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Originally Posted by rdeverox

I was just wondering how it is that people are like 80% straight and 20% gay..... If your like that, please explain...

No.

50% gay, 50% straight?

for me it is as simple as i like both sexes but I like guys more and from my experiences women play too many games but thats just me I became fully bi in 1996