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Originally Posted by playainda336 Any chance that he paid for the ads before the decision was made? It's quite possible. ...OMG. Don't play the race card. How will he get ripped more than Hillary? OMG

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Old 03-13-2008   #121 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by playainda336 View Post
Any chance that he paid for the ads before the decision was made? It's quite possible.
...OMG. Don't play the race card.
How will he get ripped more than Hillary?
OMG don't play the race card!!!!
Where the fuck have you been!
 
Old 03-13-2008   #122 (permalink)
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We in the uk had years of Tony Blair I pity you !!!!
Tony Blair was the shit. He used to be in a punk rock band before he became a politician. How bad can he be?
 
Old 03-13-2008   #123 (permalink)
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No, she cannot. Republicans HATE Hillary.

I'd also reconsider what you mean by a landslide I looked at all the races so far. The only primary race that Hillary has won voter support in the 60 percent range was Arkansas (where Bill was governor). The majority of Hillary's wins have been in the 50 percent range with Obama taking a 2nd by 40 percent. She won by 10 points in Ohio, but it's the only one besides Arkansas where she won by a larger margin. Obama has more races in 60, 70, 80 percent of the vote.

In Nevada and Texas, Hillary reportedly won the primary vote, but loses caucuses and Obama wins the most delegate votes in Nevada in Texas. For the purposes of nominating the democratic candiate, they seat delegate votes. So Obama won Texas and Nevada by the delegate vote count:

I erased alot of your #'s here , if someone wants they can go back to your posts.
Interesting angle, but it doesnot constitute a LANDSLIDE. If it were no one would be having these debates and we would not have to worry about super delegates.
Nice work(compiling list).
Huh?

Dude - I meant to ask "what do you THINK constitutes a landslide for Hillary? Ohio?" She won it in the 50th percentile. She netted a gain of 10 delegate votes and Obama just as easily erased that gain with winning Wyoming and Mississippi, maintaining his 100plus delegate lead.

Even if she won by 60 percent in PA, she'll still be lagging 90 votes or so behind.

If by landslide you meant Obama is winning the nominee, but it won't be a landslide - they will go to the DNC to resolve it. I understand what you mean.

Though Hillary is hyping up Pennsylvania though historically she's only had a win of 60 percent of the vote and that was Arkansas. So I don't see her winning any landslide primaries in PA either. I'm sure she'll win it, but I think she'll net 10 delegate votes over Obama.

Just think if we had the winner take all the delegate votes for each state primary -Hillary would actually be ahead. Thank god it's a democratic party.

It is entertaining to watch her campaign change the goal post each time a strategy doesn't pan out the way she hopes.
 
Old 03-13-2008   #124 (permalink)
gjorg is offline

You missunderstood. I meant a landslide on his part not hers. And neither has one
 
Old 03-13-2008   #125 (permalink)
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First off, once again, fundraisers were legal, TV ads weren't. Got a problem with it? Ask the lunatics running the DNC. Bottom line, Obama broke the rules, Hillary didn't. Based on DNC logic [which says violations of primary rules results in complete delegate loss], he should lose all his delegates. Period.

Second, Obama was on the ticket in Florida, so he was campaigning in a state where his name was on the ballot.
Why do you feel the need for such duplicity? The fact of the matter is that Obama's campaign purchased airtime on CNN to run a national spot, which included Florida. After the media buy, his campaign was told that the network would be unable to specifically exclude Florida as a delivery market. His campaign made the decision not to pull the nationwide spot solely for the sake of a state whose delegation had already been stripped. Was this a breach of the non-campaign agreement? That's arguable, and fair game for discussion.

But please end this nonsensical posturing that you've been engaged in, implying that the TV ad was specifically targeted at the Florida media market in direct defiance of the rule. That just wasn't the case.
 
Old 03-13-2008   #126 (permalink)
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You missunderstood. I meant a landslide on his part not hers. And neither has one
I'm not sure I understood your other post either...

no harm done. Yeah it will be nasty at the DNC.
 
Old 03-13-2008   #127 (permalink)
Skull Mason is offline

sometimes I kinda wish NIC was around...
 
Old 03-14-2008   #128 (permalink)
playainda336 is offline

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OMG don't play the race card!!!!
Where the fuck have you been!
Lol. I've been around long enough to know that card is way overused. And Black people aren't even the one playing it!
 
Old 03-14-2008   #129 (permalink)
Industrialsize is online now

I'm going back to :
Daily Kos: State of the Nation where I'm loved....
 
Old 03-14-2008   #130 (permalink)
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Why do you feel the need for such duplicity? The fact of the matter is that Obama's campaign purchased airtime on CNN to run a national spot, which included Florida. After the media buy, his campaign was told that the network would be unable to specifically exclude Florida as a delivery market. His campaign made the decision not to pull the nationwide spot solely for the sake of a state whose delegation had already been stripped. Was this a breach of the non-campaign agreement? That's arguable, and fair game for discussion.

But please end this nonsensical posturing that you've been engaged in, implying that the TV ad was specifically targeted at the Florida media market in direct defiance of the rule. That just wasn't the case.
So we can trust Obama to be commander and chief, but not to run an ad campaign that doesn't include Florida? Look, he broke the rules, the ad ran, he should be sanctioned accordingly. End of story.
 
Old 03-14-2008   #131 (permalink)
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So we can trust Obama to be commander and chief, but not to run an ad campaign that doesn't include Florida? Look, he broke the rules, the ad ran, he should be sanctioned accordingly. End of story.
You know TV ads are bought WAY before they run, right? Maybe the ad was run in more than just Florida.

There are a lot of factors to take into count. So many so that would make you beg the question of why you want Obama disqualified so? I mean, if you think Hillary will win anyway, then you shouldn't need Obama to be DQ'd. AND if it were such a simple matter, I think Hillary is smarter than you...she would have called him on it and HAD him DQ'd.

Do you have any comprehension of the advertising industry? Because I do...I used to work in it.

Your impudence astounds me.
 
Old 03-14-2008   #132 (permalink)
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Gotta side with playainda336 on this one...
To bring up another advertising example to the table, one of the big culprits of it is Geico. They do several nationwide spots for their car & motorcycle insurance on practically all the networks. Yet, if you tried to buy their insurance in New York they won't sell it to you. If amhersthungboi's logic is correct, Geico should be punished for advertising their services in an area that is also ineligible.

The same way Hillary shouldn't be punished about not taking her name off the ballot, the same goes for Obama for one of his ads airing. They probably paid some major distributor to air his spots on a national level during his campaign, and neither person was expecting Florida & Michigan to jump the gun and do their primaries early. Then again, who could have ever predicted that would of happened to begin with?
 
Old 03-14-2008   #133 (permalink)
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I'm sorry, I think you're delusional.

How is showing a commercial equal to campaigning for votes in a primary that doesn't even have your name on the ballot?

Sounds more like a public service announcement to me.

And seriously? Let's not be picking dust particles out of Obama's eye when there are blatant logs in Hillary's.

He's not quite delusional. The Political Ad that you refer to as a commercial and liken to a public service announcement was a Political Advertisement created to inform voters and entice them to vote for Obama. The Political Ad ran in Florida where Obama's name was on the ballot. Campaigning includes Advertisement for the Candidate.
 
Old 03-14-2008   #134 (permalink)
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Gotta side with playainda336 on this one...
To bring up another advertising example to the table, one of the big culprits of it is Geico. They do several nationwide spots for their car & motorcycle insurance on practically all the networks. Yet, if you tried to buy their insurance in New York they won't sell it to you. If amhersthungboi's logic is correct, Geico should be punished for advertising their services in an area that is also ineligible.

The same way Hillary shouldn't be punished about not taking her name off the ballot, the same goes for Obama for one of his ads airing. They probably paid some major distributor to air his spots on a national level during his campaign, and neither person was expecting Florida & Michigan to jump the gun and do their primaries early. Then again, who could have ever predicted that would of happened to begin with?
If Obama's Political Ad was a National Ad that was bought before this issue with Florida occurred then he should have canceled the entire ad. If Obama wanted to abide by the pledge and therefore not campaign then he can't run the ad regardless of cost or anything else. Sometimes life is tough and we have to make hard decisions.

There is no punishment for not removing names from the ballot because it was not apart of any DNC rules and certainly not apart of the Four State Pledge. It was the choice of the Candidates to remove their names from the ballots...those who understand politics realize it was a political power play.

Finally, Both camps have accused eachother of campaigning in Florida. Obama's Political Ad was a violation. Hillary going to FL after the Primary was not. If Obama continues to claim "sticking to the rules" and "sticking to a signed pledge" then he is only highlighting his errors in judgement and failures to play by the rules and to meet the requirements of what he claims the pledge meant.
 
Old 03-14-2008   #135 (permalink)
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Trinity, time to climb down off of your high horse regarding Obama being up to no good taking his name off of the Michigan Ballot and Hillary being holier than thout for leaving her on:
I quote again:
HEREFORE, I (Hillary Clinton), Democratic Candidate for President, in honor and in accordance with DNC rules, pledge to actively campaign in the pre-approved early states Iowa, Nevada, New Hampshire and South Carolina. I pledge I shall not campaign or participate in any election contest occurring in any state not already authorized by the DNC to take place in the DNC approved pre-window (any date prior to February 5, 2008).

Senator Clinton in her own words;
"Well that was his choice, remember. There was no rule or requirement that he take his name off the ballot, and his supporters ran a very aggressive campaign to try to get people to vote uncommitted. So it wasn't that he didn't participate at all. In fact there was a real effort to get people to vote uncommitted and I still won 55% of the vote."
You say that was a fair result even without Barack Obama's name on the ballot?
"Well that was his choice, Steve"
Wasn't it the Democratic Party's choice that it would not be a result that be counted and most people took their names off the ballot?
"No...I think that the Democratic party said that they would not under the circumstances count the votes. But we all had a choice as to whether or not to participate in what was going to be a primary. And most people took their names off the ballot, but I didn't. And I think that was a wise decision because Michigan is key to our electoral victory in the fall. And I think if there is to be any difference between my proposal that we count those votes and any other course of action, it should be a complete redo of the primary. Nothing else is fair and I feel strongly about that."

Pretty clear. Hillary signed a pledge NOT to participate, and in Hillary's OWN mind, leaving her name on was participiating..her own words and her signed pledge do not lie.....I am soooooooo tired of portraying Obama taking his name off of the Michigan ballot as some sort of political Power play. It's a ludicrous argument and one that even the Clinton campaign doesn't make for fear of being laughed at..........FOR WHATEVER REASONS, both Michigan and Flrodia should not have their votes count because they jumped before the February 5th date as specified bt the DNC. Period. And dont go off about disenfranchised voters, votes not being counted. Thousands of people stayed HOME because they knew their votes wouldn't count, do they count among the disenfranchised?????

If your argument is so strong, why isn't the Clinton campaign using it???Perhaps because she signed a pledge NOT to participate and then participated??
 

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