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Old 03-08-2008   #16 (permalink)
Corius is offline

Thanks to all you who remind us that Mormons are not alone in foisting perverted views of human sexuality and its place in life on the young. I suspect that many young Mormons do come to the realization that our sexuality has wider meaning than mere procreation.

My religious background was very conservative, but with opportunity and the necessary privacy I had the good fortune of being able to explore that part of my sexuality for two wonderful years; we were two very resourceful teens who learned by doing. The beauty of it all was that no one was hurt and the two of us enjoyed to the fullest a side of our sexuality which we might otherwise have never known. In our eyes we were just two ordinary guys doing that which seemed so natural and so right. It remains in my mind something which I wish every young man, including every Mormon, could experience.
 
Old 03-08-2008   #17 (permalink)
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I grew up in Zion (that's what mormons call Ewetaw) and the idea that they are a "major" religion always amuses me. What other religion believes they can baptize you into their faith after you have died? I always found that a curious thing. However, I'm certain other belief systems have equally odd or disturbing quirks.

Until I escaped Zion at 16 in 1966, I had the misfortune of attending mormon "seminary" classes in 9th grade. The State of Ewetaw allows for students to attend 5 hours or regular public school classes and opt to walk off of public school grounds for 1 hour to attend instruction in mormonism at a mormon seminary institute each day. Every public high school in Ewetaw has a mormon seminary institute built just outside of the public high school's property line. It was my mother who explained that I needed to attend her mormon belief system's seminary classes. At the time, I did not know any better. So instead of sitting through an hour of advanced algebra or possibly a language class, I sat through an hour, 5 days a week for 1 school year of mormon brainwashing. During that time I heard the most racist, bigoted, intolerant bull shit presented by "adults" as being "the gospel" and "true." It was incredibly embarrassing.

For example, did you know that if you do not have white skin that upon accepting the mormon "gospel" you will "become whitesome and delightsome?" That's how they used to present it. Then someone decided to change that particular wording in the newer versions of the book of all things mormon. One might say the book of mormon is a work in progress. Still, blacks were/are the descendent's of Cain (as in Cain and Able) and cursed with black skin. Yes, black skin was/is a curse. Makes you feel all warm and fuzzy, no?

Until about 1976 or so, blacks or men with dark skin were not allowed "to hold the priesthood," or in my definition: the magic. In Anthropology we tend to simplify things: most cults have some sort of magic they allow a specific part of their organization to maintain and pass on. But when the IRS started checking and there was the very real threat that mormons would lose their status as a church (a non-tax paying entity) because they did not extend the same rights and benefits to everyone, regardless of race, suddenly men with black or dark skin were allowed to become members of the priesthood. Coincidence? The members of that particular cult say it was divine prophecy from their living prophet (often spelled profit by many jack-mormons).

As for Jews, well, they are a complete lost cause in mormon theology. Supposedly, sometime in Jewish history after Abraham and before Jesus the Christ, Jews strayed and were no longer God's true church; therefore, mormons believe they are God's true church restored in "these latter days." But instead of keeping Kosher, mormons keep J-ELLO salads and tuna casseroles.

Another "special" thing about mormons is they insist that the indigenous cultures of the Americas (ALL of the Americas) are descendent's of one of the lost tribes of Israel. You'll excuse me if I'm not up on exactly how many tribes Israel supposedly had or how many of them were "lost." (I smell a TV series.) I think the number is 12, but not certain. Yet it is the duty of them thar mormons to bring the true gospel to the children of those lost tribes. They even have a special name for them: Laminites. Yup, if you have brown skin and are from South, Central, or North America with mestizo antecedents you get to be categorized as a laminite. For those of you with Latino heritage and grandparents from Mexico, Central and South America -- can't you just feel the love? My grandmother, a mestiza orphan from Zacatecas, was "taken in" by mormons who felt it their duty to "civilize" laminite children. For many years it was common for mormon families to temporarily "adopt" a Navajo, Hopi, or other Native American child from a reservation and "take them in." I hope this practice has long since been discontinued. If it hasn't, there's yet another reason to avoid all things mormon. When I attended elementary and intermediate school in the 50's and 60's it was common for many Native American children to show up and attend schools in Ewetaw. But at the end of the school year they were summarily returned to the "Res" until their sponsors decided they wanted them back for another year or two. It all depended upon how well the kids "integrated" into mormon kulture.

And apologists for the mormons go on and on and on about how every day new evidence is discovered by anthropologist from Brigham Young University working at archaeological digs, especially around Guatemala, that prove their book of mormon is true and that Jesus the Christ took a bit of a vacation after he was resurrected to teach the laminites in the Americas about God's plan for them. I'm certain one of the plans was that they wouldn't be confused with Formica. But hey, when it comes to mormons and mormonism one never can tell. Lately I hear that research regarding mitochondrial DNA has shown there is no evidence that the indigenous folks of the Americas have anything genetically in common with Sephardi Jews, but scientific truth has never stopped mormons from making blind ass claims that they are always right and everyone else is always wrong.

The idea that sex before marriage is the de facto way mormons behave is just so much lip service. They rarely practice anything they teach. In Ewetaw County, in the State of Ewetaw, the incidence of teen-age pregnancies is rather astonishing. A hefty number of young mormon women are pregnant before they enter the usual shotgun marriage arrangement.

As for homosexuality and mormons, my brother who to this day maintains a deep belief in his mormon faith, assures me that I need to be baptized in my own blood to achieve atonement in God's eyes. And from what I can tell, he would be more than happy to mete out that particular justice. There is no room for homosexuality in the mormon belief system. They are great supporters of aversion therapy to "cure" homosexuality and believe The Evergreen group is a good idea.

I truly feel sorry for gay men and women who grow up in the mormon belief system. They are taught that family is the most important and central aspect of life. I'm all for families. But the minute one of them admits to being gay, the general trend is that child or adult is a lost sinner who has succumbed to Satan, unless they renounce their sexuality and promise not to have sex except in marriage. I can't even begin to count the number of gay mormons I have known who have killed themselves because they could not resolve their sexuality with the all-mighty authority of their cult. I also know a slew of men (as in more than 50 or 60 by name) who are gay, married with children, and living lives of pure misery. They love their children, though.

As for myself, I was never a member of that cult, despite their insistence I needed to be baptized when I was 8 years-old. Supposedly, at 8 years-old one can discern between right and wrong and that mormons are God's one and only true church on Earth. In your fucking dreams! Therefore, I was always living inside on the outside of mormon kulture until I could drop out of high school and head for friendlier waters in San Francisco. That also meant no longer having anything to do with my family for a very long time, until my parents were so old that they sort of had a clue that maybe their belief system didn't exactly satisfy their lives.

My heart goes out to ex mormons, especially those who are gay. Sadly, I have this bad feeling that once a mormon finally figures out his or her sexuality and accepts his or her self, they are pretty much damaged goods. They tend to carry a sense of guilt and sadness with them to the grave. In short, they don't make great life partners, unless you're a social worker or psychologist and can deal with all that emotional baggage.

There is an old joke about mormons, who eschew all things too hot, too cold, too much caffeine or alcoholic:

Q: Why is it that when you invite a mormon fishing you must invite at least two?
A: Because if you invite only one he'll drink all of your beer. (If there are two, neither of them will drink in front of the other.)

And there's so much truth to that ancient joke.

For a better idea about mormons and gays may I direct those who are interested to What Not, What Have You, and Such As That. Sister Dottie is a radio host from Spanish Fark, Ewetaw and the proud mother of her gay son Donnie. She also claims to be the head of the Spanish Fark chapter of PFLAG. There's only one video, but her pronouncements about mormons and gays are right on target. Definitely worth enjoying . . . if you're into that sort of deviancy.

By the way, if any of this posting offends LDS members of LPSG or anyone else, well . . . tough buffalo apples. PM me and I'll be happy to write your bishop a personal letter that you lurk on a web site ostensibly dedicated to large penises that has lots of photos. You don't even have to send me any postage.
 
Old 03-08-2008   #18 (permalink)
Mem
Mem is offline

Are these the guys that walk around from house to house, in pairs, in dark suits? If so, most of them are very cute.

By the way who over said that the Mods should be anonymous (in another thread) is wrong.
 
Old 03-08-2008   #19 (permalink)
LeChuck is offline

I think Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses do that. Or are they different branches of the same thing? It's hard to keep track of all the religions. Seems like the only difference between most of them is which book they expect to you follow blindly.
 
Old 03-08-2008   #20 (permalink)
Radiant is offline
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Mormons are big on marriage and family. Look at the Osmonds.
 
Old 03-08-2008   #21 (permalink)
krispdx is offline

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Originally Posted by invisibleman View Post
I think that the sex appeal of some of these Mormons is that they are really a clean slate in appearance.
I think that's what I like about the Mormons I know. Not just sex appeal, though. Very little posting and posturing.
 
Old 03-08-2008   #22 (permalink)
silvertriumph2 is offline

Most Informative Thread.....

I Have Family Members (women) Who Have Married Into The Lds Church (one Even Married A Man Who Would Soon Become A Bishop) And Those Of Us Who Will Not Accept Conversion, Have All Been Written Off And Ignored.

The Family Connections Have Become Less And Less Over The Years, With Parent And Child Ties Having Pretty Much Been Completely Severed. These Family Connections Severed By Decree Of The Morman Husbands And Their Morman Families And Leaders.

And They Call Themselves "christian?" Very Sad!

however, We Were Told That We Should Rejoice!
All Of Our Dead Family Members And Ancestors (going Back For
Many Hundereds Of Years, Or As Far Back As Each Family Line Can Be Traced) Have Been saved From Damnation. This Was Done By Having Them "re-baptised" Into The Lds Faith, Thereby Making Them All Mormons!. We Were Told That We (the Living) Had No Say In The Matter.

Since I Believe In One (and Only One) Baptism According To My Christian Creed, I Am Comfortable In Believing That The "first" Baptism Was The One That "took," With The Later "baptism" As
Being Of No Consequence Or Effect.

I Am Sure There Are Always Exceptions, But Of All Those That I Have Met, I Have Found Them To Be Wholesome, Clean Cut,
Handsome, Extremely Pleasant And Respectful On The Outside.
....unless The Subject Of Religion Is Brought Up....and That Is Impossible To Prevent When You Are With Them.

I Have Found That This Wonderful Outside Hides A Very Different Inside....where There Is A Darkness, Full Of Many
Secrets About The Faith That They Are Forbidden To Reveal.

Just Try To Get Permission To Enter One Of Their Temples And See How Far You Get. non Morman Members Of Our Family (parents Or Syblings Of The Brides) Were Not Even Allowed To Attend Their Child's Wedding Services. They Were Only Allowed To Attend The Reception Afterwards. When I Mentioned The Morman Tabanacle Choir And That Building It Performs In, I Was Told It Was Not A Church Or Temple....so Was Nothing Like The Inside Of A Morman Place Of Worship. I Was Told That If I Wanted To See Inside, I Must Convert First.

I Have Discovered That There Is A Lot Of Hate For All That Is Not Of "their" Belief. Once They Get Started On Their Speil, No Matter What You Say Is Correct Or Acceptable To Them, And It
Is Difficult To Get Them To Change The Subject. More Than Once I Have Just Had To Be Rude And Leave The Room Or Area To Get Away From Their Preaching.

Yes, It Is Really Sad!
 
Old 03-08-2008   #23 (permalink)
LeChuck is offline

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however, We Were Told That We Should Rejoice!
All Of Our Dead Family Members And Ancestors (going Back For
Many Hundereds Of Years, Or As Far Back As Each Family Line Can Be Traced) Have Been saved From Damnation. This Was Done By Having Them "re-baptised" Into The Lds Faith, Thereby Making Them All Mormons!. We Were Told That We (the Living) Had No Say In The Matter.
Wha?? That directly contradicts everything I think I understand about the concept of baptism. 1) How can somebody be saved in any form after they're dead? Haven't they already been judged by now? 2) How could somebody be baptised by proxy? Do they just assume the dead person repents everything the Mormon faith calls a sin (including whichever faith they chose in life) since they can't argue? That's just nutty, seriously.
 
Old 03-08-2008   #24 (permalink)
silvertriumph2 is offline

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Originally Posted by LeChuck View Post
Wha?? That directly contradicts everything I think I understand about the concept of baptism. 1) How can somebody be saved in any form after they're dead? Haven't they already been judged by now? 2) How could somebody be baptised by proxy? Do they just assume the dead person repents everything the Mormon faith calls a sin (including whichever faith they chose in life) since they can't argue? That's just nutty, seriously.

EXACTLY my point........

LeChuck...you've hit the nail right on the head...!!

But, no matter our belief, I have been told numerous times that I what I believe is wrong....with so called quotes to back it all up..
No matter the question, there is always an answer...with back-ups...!!

I've long ago given up! I do hate that I am no longer able to speak, correspond with, or be with some of my family members, but I seem to have no choice since they, themselves, are allowing it.
 
Old 03-08-2008   #25 (permalink)
krispdx is offline

I would personally never criticize or critique someone else's religious beliefs. I got my own "crazy" beliefs ... did not mean for this to become a place to offer arguments against someone's faith. I'm a Christian and I believe that this young Jewish carpenter guy in the armpit of the Roman empire 2000 years ago turned out to be channeling the Big Guy in the sky like no one else ever had, and that makes zero sense at all.
 
Old 03-08-2008   #26 (permalink)
midlifebear is offline

krispdx, I encourage you to be as Christian as you want to be. But despite what you believe, mormons will make certain that your name is submitted and you will be baptized by proxy into their religion after your death -- if you haven't converted to their faith before then.

So, put yourself in the place of so many holocaust survivors who discovered, to their astonishment and horror, that the names of their family members who did not survive that dark part of human history, were being baptized into mormonism by proxy -- without any consultation with the family survivors. The reasoning of the mormons was and is "They would have the chance to accept the one and only true gospel as their souls waited to get into heaven." Jewish organizations formally challenged this peculiar habit of mormons. And the leaders of the mormonism formally apologized in public and retracted the practice -- only to continue it again several years later. It's an insult to the dignity of anyone whose beliefs are not that of the mormons.

Yeah, lots of people believe in lots of strange things. Some of them even believe Bush is a great president. (Sorry, couldn't help myself.) But one things mormons do not have, even though they say they do, is respect for other people's belief systems. They are a very arrogant, smug, and scary bunch. You will also be hard to find a neighbor quite as nosy. Your private life is their business.

As one poster noted above, mormons are big on the idea of the family as being the centerpiece of the human condition -- so much so that they seem to have co-opted the idea of the family, defined what is and what isn't a family for the rest of us, and we're just out of luck if we don't accept their goose-stepping religious programming. Ironically, as the poster noted, because other members of his or her family didn't rush to convert to mormonism, eventually their family ties were severed. This is quite common. Although you'll never get a mormon to admit that any of this is their fault.

There was a time when I also would never criticize another person's beliefs, having been taught that freedom of religion was something to be respected. I still do, with the exception of mormons. An old lover of mine is currently a reverend in The Church of Religious Science. I would always tease him by insisting it should be called The Church of the Perky Attitude. The members of his congregation are so damn happy all of the time you just want to slap them up the side of the head once in a while. But unlike mormons, they do not presume their beliefs and religious practices are superior to those of other churches. The same can not be said about mormons.
 
Old 03-08-2008   #27 (permalink)
RedBoy2 is offline

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Originally Posted by krispdx View Post
What is it about Mormon guys?
I knew an Episcopal priest once who said of the Mormon missionaries, "They're ripe for the pickin'!"

I thought that just about summed it up.
 
Old 03-08-2008   #28 (permalink)
rXcanadensis is offline

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Originally Posted by krispdx View Post
What is it about Mormon guys?

I have several friends and co-workers who are Mormons, and all of them got started very young on getting married and raising a family.

This one guy I work is in his mid-20s, has kids already, and stares at my crotch more than anyone I know. I kind of feel bad for the guy.

So all the Mormon guys I know seem very committed to their families, but ... they also seem wistful over the life they may have missed by settling down when they were so young. Yes, this is a generalization about a pretty major religion ... but has anyone else noticed this?
When did Mormons become a major religion? It's not like there are lots of them outside the US.
 
Old 03-08-2008   #29 (permalink)
Oh_Yeah is offline

I knew a guy that was Mormon and very curious but just as things started to take off, he was going off to some foreign county somewhere and live in squaller for Jesus.

He was very attractive and very nice, I just hope he was able to get some native booty before being tied to wife and family and those kinds of obligations.
 
Old 03-09-2008   #30 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by Radiant View Post
Mormons are big on marriage and family. Look at the Osmonds.
I do not want to look at the Osmonds!
 

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