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Sorry- it is. AA refuses to publish results... because they know fell weel how dismal their track record is... but there are scientific studies and meta studies ( studies of studies) that clearly show that 5% is the correct figure, and that it is pretty consistent across all 12 step programs for all addictive drugs.
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"Neuroses" is not a clinical term that many doctors use anymore. Also, therapy does work for many "neurotic" illnesses. Look up something called Cognitive Behavioral Therapy. It works wonders.
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Bullshit. There is no scientific evidence that any form of talk therapy is any more efficacious than no therapy at all.
Sadly- the field of psychiatry has a real problem understanding research protocol and tends to rely entirely on self reportage from patients who have been immersed in the belief system at the root of psychiatry.
You really have to search hard to find any real double blind data in this field... its beginning to get a little better as fMRI and other technologies come into greater use...
But thus far... real science keeps finding no sup[port for the "theories" of metal illness underlying a lot of therapy.
For example- a recent, properly conducted study, showed that anti-depressants have no more measurable effect than a placebo on most depressed patients.
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Meditation is a wonderful addition to any mental health treatment, as is exercise. But this sounds like deliberate misinformation aimed at discounting the mental health field in favor of espousing some other "alternative" form of treatment. ...You need to learn more about mental illness if you believe this. I agree that meditation is wonderful but there's a point where it doesn't address everything that someone with a severe mental health problem is dealing with.
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Well...that's the rub... this is not some mere "opinion" I have formed...... I have a LOT of experience with the mental health profession... there is a lot of mental illness in my family. My Grandmother was given, against her will, a hysterectomy as treatment for "hysteria". I have seen my own mother receive electro-convulsive therapy... and seen her go into seizures because of the psychoactive drugs they have given her..
I have seen my brother committed, and every form of therapy in the world tried six ways from sunday... a bipolar Aunt and an uncle who committed suicide.
With the exception of a small handful of "disorders" that they have finally realized are actually physiological impairments, such as schizophrenia, the mental health profession is little more than a quasi-religious belief system...
They experiment with drugs and therapies, with no evidence that what they are "treating" is even a disease...or even treatable...
A perfect example is the whole "recovered memory" Industry that sprung from the world of psychotherapy.
There is no evidence whatsoever that memories can be suppressed. No evidence for a "subconscious mind" that can perform this trick, no evidence that these suppressed memories cause mental distress and no evidence that "recovering" these memories alleviates said mental distress.
None... really...
And yet all across America therapists were subjecting confused people to this totally unsupported idea... and doing lots of damage, too.
LOTS of lawsuits have paid LOTs of money to families torn apart by the implantation of false memories.
This entire branch of mental health is predicated upon a "theory" about the human mind and memory that science has shown is simply not true.
Yet most therapists still staunchly believe in suppressed memories of trauma as a source of mental illness. ( by contrast, PTSD, which is real, is caused by memories you CAN recall... not imaginary suppressed memories)
We are talking about the same group of wizards who, until 15 years ago, still listed homosexuality as a mental illness. And blamed Autism on indifferent mothers.
Claiming efficacy when the only results you can show are the reportage of people who have been convinced that these 'theories" are true... essentially puts most psychiatric "results" squarely in the realm of placebo.
When proper blind studies are done... their "results' evaporate.
And meditation?
It has actually been scientifically proven to be able to alter the state of consciousness... without drugs.
Long term, self controlled alteration of consciousness is what has the best chance of substantively altering a person's response to the world.
And, generally speaking... the less people think about themselves.... the happier they are.
