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Playing devil's advocate here - now reverse that hypothetically- would you go for the sexy female first (the one that would not give you the time of day), or the less attractive female but 'nice

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Old 03-02-2008   #16 (permalink)
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Playing devil's advocate here - now reverse that
hypothetically- would you go for the sexy female first (the one that would not give you the time of day), or the less attractive female but 'nice girl' who suffers rejection just like the 'nice guy'?

I myself would pick image #2. Just going by looks only, he has a kinder face, less intimidating. Also to me I find him more attractive.

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Originally Posted by Rugbypup View Post
This thread is depressing, I'm very much a 'gent' and a 'nice guy' and I think it's because of that i've always finished last and never had a sex life.

Here are two photos, the first is an average dominate male face, the second, an average submissive male face.

Photo one will treat women like a bastard and photo two will treat women like a true gentleman, I can already say nearly every woman will pick photo number one as the most attractive, even knowing he's a bastard.


http://www.liv.ac.uk/images/newsroom...4/dominant.jpg

http://www.liv.ac.uk/images/newsroom...submissive.jpg
 
Old 03-02-2008   #17 (permalink)
Phil Ayesho is offline

Lots of 'nice' guys imagine that their failures have to do with being nice.

Nice-ness seldom is the issue, except for screwed up women who will simply walk all over a nice guy cause she can.

What you are missing, nice guys, is that what women are looking for in a man are those traits that their hindbrain tells them will translate into success and security.
This is an evolved response to a tribal past.

The reason even the ugliest guy in the band gets laid is because he is on stage. He is the object of attention of a large group of people.

Women's hind-brains tell them that men who attract attention are potential leaders...

Less evolved women look at mavericks and bad boys and physically aggresive men and their hindbrain tells them that physcially powerful men are potential leaders; something that was true back when male success was largely tied to male ruthlessness.
But that is no longer as true today... but these women can not help how evolution has programed their sense of attraction.


The reason men who screw lots of women get attention from women is a little more revealing... partly, its the consensus... women are, unconsciously or consciously, in competition for high quality males...
Well... how does a women identify a high quality male? ITs not based on their looks, but on their potential to offer security...

a male who gets a lot of women SEEMS like he MUST be a sought after commodity.... his very success at getting women might be indicative of potential success across the board.


And that , right there, is the rub.... women are not really attracted to you as you are... generally.... rather, they are using their brains to try and evaluate your POTENTIAL for providing the security they crave.

Women have long sought older men simply because older men are less of a guessing game... their potential has been proven.
The idea that men get more attractive as they age is only partly true... Not ALL men do... just those who prove they can provide.

But how does a woman evaluate the potential of a young, unproven male?


This is why young men drive nice cars, take women to expensive restaurants, buy them things... they are trying to display the ability ( or willingness) to provide security.


Some women fall for those things... most just factor them into a gestalt.


The number one characteristic that attracts women is SELF CONFIDENCE.

The reason assholes get girls is not their assholishness... its the swagger and self possesion that assholes often exhibit.

The reason womanizers get lots of girls is because of their own confidence that they CAN get girls... that self assurance is the thing that women respond to.

The reason bad boys and mavericks get girls is because the next tribal chief, or CEO, is unlikely to be the wall flower... its likely to be the guy with the self assurance to buck the trend and make his own way.


I used to be a 'nice guy" with limited success with women...

Then, as I got older, I began to have a lot of success in a field that is very hard to have success in.
Even I began to notice that I carried myself differently... its called the "buzz" of success.

And suddenly, women found me far more attractive without my even trying.

It was not so much the income, as these women had no idea of my income... it was that I felt self confident, assured and capable, within myself.

I literally stopped caring whether women responded to me or not... which eliminated that sense of nervousness that women sense as insecurity.


So--- my advice to "nice guys" donlt stop being nice.... rather, look at your own sense of self assurance and confidence.

Strive for success at your job.. or, do SOMETHING in which, in a social setting, you can feel confident of your ability...
For example.... learning to dance really really well...

When you can look a woman right in the eye and ask her to dance... knowing in your heart that you are GOING to show her a good time on that floor....
that is what she will respond to... not the dancing, as much as that sense of confidence...


And if you WANT her.... show her a sense of self confidence in that arena, too... and I don't mean groping clumsy or crude innuendos...

I mean look at her so she knows you think she is beautiful, desirable and delightful... I mean be direct with her about your attraction to her....

Have confidence in your own emotional response to her....


And yes... being forward... being out there, being willing to hang your heart on a nail right in front of everyone... you WILL get hurt.


So what?

When My son got dumped by his first real girlfriend and called me, devastated.. I had to tell him how happy I was to discover that he had grown into a man whose heart COULD be broken. And I told him that the secret to finding and keeping a good woman was to continue to be willing to risk his heart...

...to be willing, every time, to take the risk of being utterly shattered.


You want a woman?

Show her you're willing to throw all in...
 
Old 03-02-2008   #18 (permalink)
bluesteel81 is online now

Nice guys DO finish last. I think you have to find a balance between an asshole and a nice guy. There is a time for being nice and a time for being an ass. You have to know when to be nice to them and when its time to put your foot down, believe me she might not tell you but she respects that, its called being a man.
 
Old 03-03-2008   #19 (permalink)
Phil Ayesho is offline

then its called being a man... not being an asshole.

The idea that women like assholes refers to the fact that men who treat them like shit seem to have no trouble finding women.

Of course,,, all they find are damaged women who want an excuse to fight...

It is possible to stand your ground without treating a woman like shit.

It is possible to have dick rather than BE a dick.
 
Old 03-03-2008   #20 (permalink)
Corius is online now

Nice guys should expect to take their lumps like everyone else. But, one's approach to the whole world of sex, I believe, is very important. I have not sought casual sex with any man or woman. The relationship for me is important. First, you make friends; sometimes, but not always or even most times, friends become more than just friends and that puts one on the road to greater intimacy of the physical sort. Two persons who have created bonds with each other, I have found, do make their way to the point where sex becomes the natural next step. The sex is a kind of sealing of the bonds that already exist and it is fantastic. In this kind of sex there is the sharing of oneself with the other and this togetherness is such that no one gets hurt and each is affirmed as a person of importance and great worth. The sex just gets better over time. Nice guys have a way of staying around; they find that love finds a way. And, nice guys are usually the smarter sort; they are not satisfied with less than the best from themselves and they get the best from their partners as well.
 

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