02-29-2008
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#31 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by Drifterwood I have UTTER contempt for those who are tattling on about his tackle blah blah rhubarb.
When was the last time that a Kennedy, Bush or Roosevelt or any of your oh so brave rulers put themselves and therefore their families in the line of fire?
As far as I remember, Mr. Bush looked like he shat his pants when he was told about 9/11 and ran away somewhere. |
i agree with you, this man spent years training to do what he likes to do, to help others and put his safety on the back burner. Shame on the tattlers.. The Royals should be proud of HRH Harry. | | | |
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02-29-2008
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#32 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by jason_els If HM decided he had to go somewhere then he had to go somewhere. It's just that simple. | I'm willing to hear an argument.
Hasn't been that simple since ... | | | |
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02-29-2008
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#33 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by senor rubirosa I'm willing to hear an argument.
Hasn't been that simple since ... | Dragonfly got it right. HM decided Harry had to see active duty and made it happen. Harry admitted this in an interview. He says he agreed with it and I believe him. No doubt her husband was all for it as well. HM is very aware of what can happen to the spare having witnessed her own sister descend into a bitter life of hedonism. Charles was in the military and Andrew saw active duty himself. Edward.... well... he was just too fey to finish boot camp.
Pity Anne didn't go into the military. She would have half the world conquered by now. | | | |
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02-29-2008
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#34 (permalink)
| | | roosevelt's son earned a medal of honour on omaha beach. | | | |
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03-01-2008
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#35 (permalink)
| | | I don't see how Elizabeth had any influence over if and when Harry went to the front lines. Are you saying that she lobbied the government and the ministry of defense to have Harry sent out to Afghanistan? Decisions about deployment are made by the Ministry of Defense in consultation with the government of the UK and I doubt that soldiers grandmothers are given a say in the decision. | | | |
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03-01-2008
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#36 (permalink)
| | | I dont think a Prince can be in active war service, whatever you say, if someone grasses him up he is instanly a MASSIVE trophy target, endangouring the live of all those around him.
Seems to be, he's just another poor little rich kid playing army.
If he wants to be a solider, then he should renounce his royal ties and fight on the front lines like everyone else.
If he wants to be a Prince, he can't expect the military to covertly cover his arse above and beyone anyone soldier.
I don't think he can be both. | | | |
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03-01-2008
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#37 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by Rugbypup I dont think a Prince can be in active war service, whatever you say, if someone grasses him up he is instanly a MASSIVE trophy target, endangouring the live of all those around him.
Seems to be, he's just another poor little rich kid playing army.
If he wants to be a solider, then he should renounce his royal ties and fight on the front lines like everyone else.
If he wants to be a Prince, he can't expect the military to covertly cover his arse above and beyone anyone soldier.
I don't think he can be both. | he is fighting on the the front line, and supposed to be doing an extremly good job.
If everybody who was a target in war was told to go home, there would be no fighting.
When Harry has that uniform on, he is the same as every other soldier in action. Just because his Grandma is pretty important doesn't give him dispensation. He will have cleaned out toliets like everybody else,he will have performed drill like everybody else. So he should be treated like everybody else.
untill the press released the info that he was fighting the general public were not remotly arsed, and now were saying, "ooh he's a target" "ooh, hes putting other soldiers lives in danger, because he is a prince" Do you really think the opposition forces didn't know he was there already? | | | |
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03-01-2008
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#38 (permalink)
| | | If he was tryuly being treated like everyone else, then wouldnt of had a BBC film crew with him and he wouldn't now be evacuated from the area because his identity has been leaked.
Whether he likes it or not, he is second in line to the throne of England, this makes him a massive trophy prize kill.
If it didn't, why are the army bringing him home?
He can not be a Prince and a regular amry soldier, he has to choose. | | | |
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03-01-2008
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#39 (permalink)
| | | He's third in line to the throne. (Queen - 1st Charles, 2nd William, 3rd Harry)
They are bringing him home because all the press are going over there, and it'll be a matter of time before one of them gets kidnapped again and held hostage.
The army have enough problems fighting in a foriegn land, against skilled local fighters trained in guerilla (sorry about the spelling) warfare. The last thing they need is scores of media from all over the world trying to get themselves shot. So if it was a choice between 100's of media swarming the country and getting in the way, or letting Harry go back to England, their is only one sensible choice.
Before all the media interest, he was doing an excellent job.
And the reasoning why the BBC were following him round is simple. Because he couldn't go to iraq due to media attention the army struck a 'deal'. The basics were, 1) Media black out on where harry is and what he is doing till Mid to late April. 2) If that happened the BBC to cover his day to day activities.
Just because he is a prince is not a reason why he cannot serve in the military. | | | |
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03-01-2008
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#40 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by Rugbypup If he was tryuly being treated like everyone else, then wouldnt of had a BBC film crew with him and he wouldn't now be evacuated from the area because his identity has been leaked.
Whether he likes it or not, he is second in line to the throne of England, this makes him a massive trophy prize kill.
If it didn't, why are the army bringing him home?
He can not be a Prince and a regular amry soldier, he has to choose. | However, the point of this thread is that until his cover of anonymity was blown by the people at whom Drifterwood is directing his annoyance that would have never been an issue. He would have appeared as just another soldier until that happened and he would have been a trophy victory perhaps if he were killed in combat, but so long as it was unknown to the world at large he would never have been a trophy target, just another infantryman in camo from the enemy's perspective. NOW that his identity has been leaked it is impossible for him to be treated as another soldier due to BBC film crews and other such things. His being treated like another soldier was contingent on that identity issue yes, but possible because of it. | | | |
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03-01-2008
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Originally Posted by don kiddick He's third in line to the throne. (Queen - 1st Charles, 2nd William, 3rd Harry). | Dosen't matter if he's 1st or 12th, it still makes him a trophy target. Quote:
Originally Posted by don kiddick They are bringing him home because all the press are going over there, and it'll be a matter of time before one of them gets kidnapped again and held hostage. | Journalists are convenient as hostage material, a Prince would be a God send. I can hear it now, we don't negotiate with terrorists. Yeah, right. Quote:
Originally Posted by don kiddick The army have enough problems fighting in a foriegn land, against skilled local fighters trained in guerilla (sorry about the spelling) warfare. The last thing they need is scores of media from all over the world trying to get themselves shot. So if it was a choice between 100's of media swarming the country and getting in the way, or letting Harry go back to England, their is only one sensible choice. | I never said the media are not scum when it comes to matter likes this, but it was only a matter of time before he was recognized anyways. In choosing to proove his manhood abroad, he chose to endanger all around him. Quote:
Originally Posted by don kiddick Before all the media interest, he was doing an excellent job. | Excellent within the limits of being a Prince at war allows. Quote:
Originally Posted by don kiddick And the reasoning why the BBC were following him round is simple. Because he couldn't go to iraq due to media attention the army struck a 'deal'. The basics were, 1) Media black out on where harry is and what he is doing till Mid to late April. 2) If that happened the BBC to cover his day to day activities. | Media black out, the term is kinda a joke. It boils down to the army hoping the locals are too thick to know he's a Prince and the BBC getting a massive scoop if they kept their mouths shut. Balencing the lives of other soldiers on a perverse razors edge. Quote:
Originally Posted by don kiddick Just because he is a prince is not a reason why he cannot serve in the military. | It is the perfect reason why he should not serve in active hostile combat zones.
If the info wasn't leaked and the Afgans learned who he was anyways, then they made him their priority target resulting in a capture attempt, which say fails, the Prince escapes but x number of commonal garden troops are killed in the attempt, they would have died for no other reason than a Prince wanted his cake and eat it.
I'm sorry Mrs Jones, your son was blown apart when the Afgans tried a sneek offensive to kidnap a Prince of England. Your son just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time and in the wrong company. Here, have a tissue and don't feel to bad, you arent the only parents i'm seeing today. | | | |
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03-01-2008
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#42 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by Rugbypup Dosen't matter if he's 1st or 12th, it still makes him a trophy target.
Journalists are convienitent as hostage material, a Prince would be a God send. I can hear it now, we don't negotiat with terrorists. Yeah, right.
I never said the media are not scum when it comes to matter likes this, but it was only a matter of time before he was recongised anyways. I choosing to proove his manhood abroad, he chose to endanger all around him.
Excellent within the limits of being a Prince at war allows.
Media black out, the term is kinda a joke. It boils down to the army hoping the locals are too think to know he's a Prince and the BBC getting a massive scoop if they kept their mouths shut.
It is the perfect reason why he should not serve in active hostile combat zones.
If the info wasn't leaked and the Afgans learned who he was anyways, then they made him their priority target resulting in a capture attempt, which say fails, the Prince escapes but x number of commonal garden troops are killed in the attempt, they would have died for no other reason than a Prince wanted his cake and eat it. | ....................Now now rugbypup less of this treason he could be your head of state one day after all you are still in the commwealth ............ he he he  | | | |
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03-01-2008
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#44 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by Rugbypup Royals are tax leeches. | ...now stop it you naughty pup  your not a royalist then.lol | | | |
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03-01-2008
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#45 (permalink)
| | | erm... no.
They are leeches, they contribute virtually nothing for the MASSIVE amount they cost the tax payer.
They represent a history and basic diplomatic role, nothing more.
They are not worth the money and should be abolished, they're all a bunch of bloody hoorays anyways.
If they were, Harry could go fight were ever the fuck he liked, lol. | | | |
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