Hillary Out of Touch

Yes, although it only becomes obvious when one of them can't recall the price of a gallon of milk.

either way, I hold no trust in her if she gets elected. I've always had a bad feeling about her and everytime I hear something new the more turned off I am. She SCARES the crap out of me to be honest.

Sometimes, it looks like her emotional attempts are just faked and you can never really tell who she really is or when she will flip out next.

Of the dems, I want Obama on the ballot. I do not know yet who I will vote for yet but if Hillary is on the ballot, it sure as well won't be for her!

I sent off my change of address for my voter's registration today. So, I have it when the elections come around!

I agree. And she's the one who got the money in New York, all $112 million of it, for treatment of the 9/11 site workers, with all their diseases and suffering. People don't even know about things like this a lot of the time, because it isn't 'sexy', in that stupid sense of the word. She's got the ability to WORK full-time, and doesn't want to do anything else. Obama charming a nation is not entirely surprising, though, and the worst thing is that it actually seems like a continuation of the same 'dream time' politics and government, the talk of 'change' from him rings false. I'm fucking praying for a miracle in Texas and Ohio, because he would go into office with the same lightweight approach (even if he does work hard, unlike Bush and Reagan) that have gotten him support. This is scandalous, really, because in some ways it makes McCain seem the better choice except for health care idiocies and redneckeries of the Republicans, who scare everybody away with talk of 'socialized medicine'. And Hillary would scare the bejesus out of the fucking Pakistani cave terrorists, and probably catch Bin Laden. It is an incredible, almost unbelievable disgrace that they have not caught him--and they could have if they had concentrated on Pakistan and not Iraq.

why are people so afraid of hillary you guys are pussys

i don't get this "terrorists in pakistan / iraq / afghanistan / etc. will fear hillary" theory. where is that coming from? someone explain a bit more cuz it's not working for me.

cause shes a cold bitch i guess

Tina Fey said it all on SNL tonight. Catch it before they yank it.

"Bitch is the new Black!"

well apparently some people in this thread fear her

even if that's true -- and i'm not sure it is (and what does that mean exactly??) -- can that really be connected to foreign policy? and even if u could connect it, would the terrorists really care? or be afraid? after running a country where women seemed to have been treated like dirt, beaten in the streets, not allowed to go to school, and forced to cover themselves head to toe, i don't see the taleban being extra-intimidated by a western woman (no matter who she is).

I'm NOT saying that it would be better to elect a man because of that mindset. not at all. i'm just responding to this "hillary is cold so terrorists will be afraid" idea.

Yeah I have no idea, but if people here are scared of her maybe people in other countries are

Tina Fey for President.

Actually, what are the chances that we will someday see Oprah running against George Clooney?

I'm not afraid of Hillary. I just don't like her. I really disagree with her health plan.

I read it. It does force people to buy health insurance. Sure, there are provisions for government subsidies if you have a low enough income. But, I've seen this all too often. The bar is usually set so low that most working poor can't qualify for subsidies. So, guess what? You'd be penalized by getting a punative tax slapped on you if you couldn't afford health insurance.

Barack Obama's plan sets up a national plan that is paid for by payroll taxes. It will be for all those who cannot afford to be on any other plan, unemployed, homeless, etc. And employers will have a choice of buying into that plan or buying into the current plans they have available. People will be able to choose the kind of health insurance they want. And the premiums are paid for more equitably by EVERYONE, not just the working poor who are paying taxes.

Also, Hillary didn't really like NAFTA at the beginning but she sure voted in favor of strengthening NAFTA provisions.

Obama is actually for giving tax breaks to corporations that keep their jobs here in the USA. He will end tax breaks for corporations that send our jobs overseas.

So, no, I'm not afraid of her. I don't like her slimey campaign tactics, or those of her husband (Monica Lewinsky's ex-boyfriend), and I don't like her platform.

I like where Obama is on the issues and I like his voting record. It's out there for all to see, contrary to the snipes levelled at Obama's campaign by the Clintons....

Honestly, that's where I am. I honestly believe that Obama's positions, propositions, platforms, and values will suit us better than Hillary's.

Please.

First off, his voting record is feather-light: 3 years at the US Senate, conveniently commenced AFTER the war in Iraq had gone south, so he didn't have to make an official stand. Being a man and all, he didn't have to play butch to impress the red necks out there who still think a woman can't be Commander In Chief either.

The pair even agreed that their voting records and their stance on issues were strikingly similar, completely in line with the Democratic playbook.

What voting records are you referring to that so vastly differ from Hillary's or the run-of-the-mill Democratic tenets?

Technical differences on their health plans do not warrant such anti-Hillary hysteria. Of course she wants power, as Obama does. What else would REALLY give them the kind of energy 2 years of constant campaigning demand?

What I find confounding is that Obama, who is admittedly a liberal (nothing wrong with that), and who voted (as Hillary) with his own party during his short US Senate tenure poses as a healer who works across party lines.

Wait! Wouldn't that require a more INDEPENDENT, centrist platform, one that would be well to the right of his current positions? Duh!

I fail to see any evidence of his collaboration with the GOP on critical issues. I do see that he actually fillibustered the Roberts nomination, against all Republicans and against the vast majority of Democrats (including Hillary) who understood that Roberts would be the best compromise.

He actually pulled a fillibuster at the US Senate on the nomination of the Chief Justice of the US Supreme Court. Isn't that a prime example of those sleazy old Washington tactics he so decries?

Remember Li'l Bush, The Uniter, The "Compassionate Conservative"? Do we deserve a Democratic version to balance things out?

domi there are just too many haters in america

I do not want to see her get elected. We have had two Bush's in office and now we want another Clinton. I have not liked her since Bill ran for office in 92. I do not believe that elections are completely about experience. What makes a succesful administration is the presidents advisors, and their willingness to cooperate with the congress, and the other political party. I believe this election is about a possibility of "change." Electing an individual that will not galvanize partisan politics as we have seen the last 8 years. I listen to Hillary, and she is does not speak about bringing the parties together for the good of the country, but Obama does. That is my what turns me toward him.