Guys Kissing

how is there anything to do with straight though if they are gay/bi and are performing acts on one another?

much like the original poster saying "heterosexual men making out hardcore", none of that matches up.

"Heterosexual men making out" are in fact gay or bi men making out.

are these just gay or bi guys pretending to be straight on a website?

what is the novelty of that?

Interesting replies. I think one of the main concerns, that heterosexual men don't kiss, can be addressed by saying that actions can be separated from a person's true sexuality.

I'll give an example. I was watching a clip from straightcollegemen.com, and I noticed that while the guys were kissing and sucking each other's cocks and jerking each other off, they weren't really getting hard. They were in a perpetual semi-state. They were acting homosexually, but seemed quite clearly to be heterosexual.

This brings up the question then, if I'm not straying too far from my original post: what is the motivation for two heterosexual men to kiss? If it's for money, or on an unwanted dare, or strictly pragmatic to get women, then I would agree with previous posts that it would be kind of repulsive. But if the guys are up for making a good show of it, or don't feel that kissing other men is a romantic or sexual act and have no problem doing so passionately, then I stand by my original point that it is fucking hot!!!

But I have kind of a depraved mind in that sense. I think I get a kick out of the straight fantasy element, as well as the activist element that says its okay for guys to be more than the stand-offish, isolated sex fiends they are portrayed as (even if that's not realistic). It's arousing to think that a person isn't confined by the standards set by others. In such moment, the idea of two guys kissing sheds labels such as homosexual, bisexual, and heterosexual, and becomes a person-to-person event that defies labels.

nonsense, and they are quite clearly NOT heterosexual, if they are as you said "sucking each other's cocks and jerking each other off"

there is no difference...if you engage in gay sexual acts as a male, you are not a heterosexual male, but a bi-male or a gay male.

there is no separation of actions from "true sexuality".

if you engage in homosexual acts willingly, you are gay or bi, if you still have sexual relations that are hetero.

I'm trying to remember the first time I saw two men kiss. I'm almost sure it wasn't until I was in college, and it was probably in a movie shown by the campus GLBT group. (I think it might have been Maurice.)

Although I don't remember the film with any certainty, I do remember my reaction. I expected to find it strange and to feel a little uncomfortable watching it. But instead, it seemed the most natural and wonderful thing in the world. It's amazing how such a simple thing can be so affirming of one's sexuality. And if I'm right about which movie it was, I have Hugh Grant to thank for it. How weird...

With the exception of the first pic, I assume these guys are gay or bi.

Attached Images

	3500.jpg (21.9 KB, 484 views)
	17.jpg (24.8 KB, 435 views)
	1111114.jpg (39.0 KB, 440 views)
	49.jpg (27.0 KB, 376 views)
	9acd.jpg (48.0 KB, 397 views)

I had to post a few more, because they're hot.

Attached Images

	picture044.jpg (34.6 KB, 416 views)
	3waykiss.jpg (39.7 KB, 379 views)
	affection119.jpg (39.9 KB, 364 views)
	justtwo20.jpg (66.4 KB, 374 views)

Gay guys, I respect you and your decision on your sexuality, but that^^^^disturbed me.

I could not do that.

This is the so-called "straight fantasy", which I believe originates from several different desires that can apply in any combination within a single person. One of these is the element of danger and potential for conflict, where its not known if the "straight person" being desired will hit you or kiss you. The Kinsey Institute has done research on this by measuring states of arousal during a pornographic film after the subject has watched a tenuous horror movie clip. Apparently, it's estimated that 23% of people studied are more aroused after moments of crisis.

Another desire is found more in middle-percentage bisexuality and pansexuality than complete or extremely skewed sexuality. This one involves a desire for fluidity of attraction and arousal, set in a world that is without constraint of sexual labels and people can be sexual with anybody if they so choose. This is where someone like me falls. I am extremely "masculine" in my behavior, yet I have strong feelings for men. It stems, I think, mainly from a sexual confusion and a wish to be either completely heterosexual or completely homosexual despite the knowledge otherwise. In other words, there is a dislike or hate of one's sexuality, something that is out of the person's control. It would be easier and more controlling if sexuality was more fluid. The "straight fantasy" makes that a possibility in their minds.

And a third desire I can think of is one in which a person of any sexuality is attracted to a friend of the same sex. In this instance, there is: a fear of rejection by that friend which motivates the fantasy that says the friend can be something more and/or an inability to separate the alluring, strong personality traits from the "masculine/feminine" traits they might exhibit. Hence, the desirer believes he/she is attracted to the "straightness" of the person, when they are probably attracted to their beliefs, convictions, and any other non-sexual personality trait. The "straight fantasy" here is actually an illusion masking a love of the person and not their "gender" typification.

Any or all of these desires, and others I haven't mentioned, are used as base building within sexual thought and behavior. The "novelty" is that the person can use the illusion of the premise- straight guys doing not so straight things- to project their own unrealized fantasies and desires onto reality. This is partially why I and many others feel that two heterosexual men kissing is great stuff. The facts about their "true" sexuality are irrelevant because it's all fantasy. I'm not really there, so I project onto it.

Whew, that was long. I feel like I'm writing an essay for one of my classes.

Flashy, you're arguing that someone's actions determine who they are. I'm say that someone's actions are motivated by their desires. This is Aristotle speaking of how drama can reflect reality 2,500 years ago. In the example I posted, those models' desires were, I'm guessing, for money and maybe possibly out of curiosity of what it means to be homosexual, since they have not experienced it. The desire was not to physically get off with another man, as you could plainly see by their difficulty to maintain arousal. Now you could argue that they were repressing their homosexual/bisexual desires, but that can't be proven. Unless you wanna call them up...

It also seems like you have "faith" in a certain definition of what sexuality means, and I can't convince you that it's anything otherwise. It would also be inappropriate for the thread, unless everyone else is cool with this turning into a debate on sexuality.

Boo... Come on man, it's 2008.

Here are two hot men kissing, but I presume they were both gay/bi at the time of the filming...

XTube Videos

Sorry man, still hard for me to look at.

No worries. Also, it looks like we're cock twins.

I could not plainly see it, because i did not watch it. Men with other men, no matter what they are exploring, or in whatever context you are attempting to intellectualize it as, are to me, absolutely not attractive, nor interesting, and in fact, quite disgusting.

Now, I certainly respect gay rights, and i support gay marriage, and have gay friends, but that does not mean that your attempts to suggest sexuality as some kind of fluid and everchanging myth just because it affects you that way, affects or applies to me in that way...because it does not.

what is beautiful and erotic to you, is very different to me, and many purely hetero men, when confronted with graphic sexual content.

I certainly do have faith in the definition of HETEROSEXUALITY and BISEXUALITY and HOMSEXUALITY.

You can philosophize and write essays, but it does not change the fact, that for many/most hetero men, gay sex is not something sought or desired or wanted to be viewed. Those men that do want to experience that, and fantasize and act on it, are in fact not heterosexual men, but either bisexual, if they in fact have sexual relations with both sexes, or gay, if they have it exclusively with other men.

You do not have the right to try and interpret the sexuality of others, when in fact, you cannot experience what they experience...you can only speak for yourself, and since you are not a purely straight/heterosexual male in the defined sense, you are in no position to tell me what i am feeling/or what is attractive or desirous to me, anymore so then i can tell you what you may feel in terms of your desires.


and yes, actions do help determine who you are, absolutely among many other things.

and I do not care what Aristotle had to say about actions and feelings...

show Aristotle an Xtube porno involving say two guys blowing each other and ask him what he thinks.

It is doubtful you will get an analysis...but you would likely get one of three or four responses

1. desire
2. curiousity
3. disinterest
4. disgust


One thing that I have learned in my time on this site, and in dealing with many bi-sexual or gay men, is that i have learned a great deal from many of them...most of it positive, however, There is a sizeable portion of the gay/bi community, that seems intent on insisting that all straight men seem to have a desire hidden in them somewhere for gay sex or gay desires...

The only proof those people have of that is there own experiences, and since they are not in fact hetero, how would they know?

It seems as intolerant to me to hear that as when you hear those asshole religious groups say stuff like "oh we'll just take the gay kids to camp and convert them, since it is correctible"

It is just as wrong and unfair.


I was involved in a discussion on here a few weeks ago with a poster who insisted that a man enjoying a girl rimming him was somehow indicative of being "gay to some percentage"


You don't have the right to judge or determine what i Feel or what the true feelings of other purely hetero men are and certainly not without the benefit of actual experience of being a purely straight male in fact regard to desires.

I have a gay parent (male) and i am nothing like him...I find his desires and actions repulsive, in terms of sexual relations, but i respect that they are his desires and his relations, not mine and they are his to do and choose...and i share nothing of the same desires.

I have a few cock twins on here I am just finding out about.

wow that was hot