Congratulations America

lots of sad people out there.. voting on superficial biasses... this is what is causing america to fall.. people are more concerned about irrelavent topics than the real issues like the economy the war etc..

Just go for the most reliable and probably most efficient candidate then.

McCain.

McCain doesn't "get" the economy. He says so himself. That's a very important policy sphere. Even our social policy is largely dependent on the health of our economy.

He also supported our embarrassing and insanely costly meddling in Iraq, MUCH more so than Hillary.

I am afraid he will more likely understand the world in old-guard militaristic terms, although I applaud his standing firmly (relatively speaking) against the religious bigots and having the guts to propose an unpopular but largely wise immigration plan.

It's sad that this is even a relevant issue.

As a symptom that our society has evolved, it is not sad at all...However I agree that it would be sad to elect a leader solely on the basis on their demographics.

I may be guilty of that myself when I dismiss McCain as "too old".

Frizzle, you're echoing a comment I made earlier. I honestly don't think any of us here (or the vast majority of Americans) are voting for Barack or Hillary because of their race or gender. Anyone with a brain would recognize that's a pretty dumb reason to vote for somebody. Though obviously not enough Americans vote with their brains, as evidenced by the past 7 years.

Domisoldo is right in that there are few dogmatic differences between Barack and Hillary. They believe in most of the same ends, just have some different ideas on the means to those ends. So for a lot of people it comes down to a literal popularity contest, and for some that means factoring in race or gender. Or not. I support Barack for a lot of reasons, none of which are because he's black or a man.

The excitement they're generating is undeniably based on historic precedent. But it's also based on 7/10 Americans not being able to get rid of the Bush administration fast enough, and hopefully before they create yet another catastrophe.

But was it? What if McCain pays George W. Bush back for his support, by offering him the Vice Presidential slot and in short order McCain dies leaving George W. in the position of finishing off another term during which he could conceivably have 3 or 4 more State of The Union addresses?

Fortunately that would require an amendment to the Constitution (which ain't gonna happen) that lifts the two-term limit for Presidents. Vice President is required to be Constitutionally eligible to serve as President. W is Constitutionally ineligible for VP (as is Bill Clinton) because he's served two terms.

The black man will tax you to death and take your cake.

Not that black people are criminals.

Liberals are criminals.

Barrack is a liberal.

And black.

But he's a criminal because he's a liberal.

Not because he's black.

I hope I didn't offend anyone.

Except liberals.

And only white liberals.

Black liberals are okay.

As long as they're not running for president.

Not that there's anything wrong with black people running for president.

There's a problem with liberals running for president.

All liberals.

Any color.

Barrack is black.

Barrack is a liberal.

He should be stopped because he's a liberal.

Not because he's black.

... I'm leaving now.

they are all crooks no matter who wins the middle class and the poor will still suffer.

Congratulations are in order. For the first time in living memory, people are choosing from two intelligent, highly qualified candidates, either of which oculd make a great leader. It's a choice of whom one likes better, not whom you want to keep from office. Even Hillary's opponents need to give her credit for that.

Unfortunately he may have to in order to pay for the gross fiscal irresponsibility of our President and the kowtowing Congress that was in place for his first six years.

Everyone pays taxes dude, get over it. And "the black man" is no more likely to raise taxes than "the woman," "the fake Republican" and "the preacher" based on their records and platforms. For fuck's sake, the revered Ronald Reagan implemented the largest tax increase in US history. Twice.

I think the main point at the opening of this thread has been missed by many. I don't think anyone's saying that they're voting (or condoning voting) based on a candidates race or sex, it's the fact that America has come sooooo far as to have the realistic possibility this year of a woman or a black man taking office. Personally, I think it's remarkable and something to be proud of.

Incidentally - I think Barrack's scrumptious!

Hillary + Bill = Billary

But I do think Hillary would be a good choice to beef up the economy a little.