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Can Obama and Clinton repair the rift?

Originally Posted by jeffery_stelesvyle Well said. At the end of the day, the republican base will go and vote for the republican candidate even if he is a pro-choice, pro-gay liberal conservative. Dems whose candidate

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Old 01-29-2008   #31 (permalink)
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Well said.

At the end of the day, the republican base will go and vote for the republican candidate even if he is a pro-choice, pro-gay liberal conservative.

Dems whose candidate is not on the ticket will stay home instead of supporting the party's nominee.

Who will Win? You do the math.
This is the problem with the current state of American politics. Obama is campaigning on a platform of inclusion and of unity across party lines. Whether or not he will be able to acheive that remains to be seen, but he's the only one who i can see making a real attempt to do this on the Democratic side, and probably the only one who can really inspire outside of his base enough to accomplish it.
 
Old 01-29-2008   #32 (permalink)
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I firmly believe that a party's candidate should only be chosen by voters affiliated with that party. In most of these primaries anyone is allowed to vote for candidates for either party. So it is happening that republicans are crossing over and voting or Obama because he would be easier to beat in an general election and democrats are voting for McCain because he will look like a fossil compared to the dem candidate.
it varies by state to state. Some require you to register as a democat the previous year. Republicans are not, in any meaningful amount switching over to Obama to sabotage the Democratic candidacy. In fact many republicans are actually switching to Obama because they believe in Obama, which speaks even more to his electability. I strongly disagree that Obama would be easier to beat than Hillary - in fact even the GOP pundits are speaking to their fear of an Obama candiacy, because he would extremely difficult to beat.
 
Old 01-29-2008   #33 (permalink)
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it varies by state to state. Some require you to register as a democat the previous year. Republicans are not, in any meaningful amount switching over to Obama to sabotage the Democratic candidacy. In fact many republicans are actually switching to Obama because they believe in Obama, which speaks even more to his electability. I strongly disagree that Obama would be easier to beat than Hillary - in fact even the GOP pundits are speaking to their fear of an Obama candiacy, because he would extremely difficult to beat.
Obama would be easier to beat because he has more negatives that would get the republican party base out to vote in droves. You really think that if Obama was that difficult to beat republican pundits would be praising him to high hells rather than tearing him to shreads? At the end of the day each party wants the other to nominate a weak candidate and IMO Obama is the weaker candidate on the democratic side. Obama can one day in the future make a good president but my fear is that he will get nominated this election and loose it and will not get another shot.
 
Old 01-29-2008   #34 (permalink)
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Obama would be easier to beat because he has more negatives that would get the republican party base out to vote in droves. You really think that if Obama was that difficult to beat republican pundits would be praising him to high hells rather than tearing him to shreads? At the end of the day each party wants the other to nominate a weak candidate and IMO Obama is the weaker candidate on the democratic side. Obama can one day in the future make a good president but my fear is that he will get nominated this election and loose it and will not get another shot.
I'm at a loss.......what are Obama's higher negatives as compared to the baggage that any Clinton comes with, and If i'm not wrong, in the last republican debate, the Candidates talked solely about senator Clinton as if she was the presumptive nominee.
 
Old 01-29-2008   #35 (permalink)
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Obama would be easier to beat because he has more negatives that would get the republican party base out to vote in droves. You really think that if Obama was that difficult to beat republican pundits would be praising him to high hells rather than tearing him to shreads? At the end of the day each party wants the other to nominate a weak candidate and IMO Obama is the weaker candidate on the democratic side. Obama can one day in the future make a good president but my fear is that he will get nominated this election and loose it and will not get another shot.
More negatives that would get the republican base what? You realize that Hillary is a Clinton right? That's like carrying a bag of brains in zombie city.
 
Old 01-29-2008   #36 (permalink)
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I think the Rebuplicans will have a very hard time running against a man who has become a movement that symbolizes HOPE....
 
Old 01-29-2008   #37 (permalink)
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I'm at a loss.......what are Obama's higher negatives as compared to the baggage that any Clinton comes with, and If i'm not wrong, in the last republican debate, the Candidates talked solely about senator Clinton as if she was the presumptive nominee.
She is a Clinton but he has a muslim father and a muslim middle name. Guess which one irks the fundie christian base of the republican party more?

This election is going to be won on how well the parties can get their bases out to vote for them. If Condi Rice joins the republican ticket, all of Obama's advantage with the black voters is gone.
 
Old 01-29-2008   #38 (permalink)
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I'd say the name Clinton irks ALL republicans more......he wasn't going to get nor does he need the Evangelical vote to win anyway.........and from what I've read, Condi is not exactly highly regarded in the Black Community.,I've read they see her as the water carrier for GW and Cheney and supressed her OWN views on the war and other foreign policy issues.
 
Old 01-29-2008   #39 (permalink)
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She is a Clinton but he has a muslim father and a muslim middle name. Guess which one irks the fundie christian base of the republican party more?

This election is going to be won on how well the parties can get their bases out to vote for them. If Condi Rice joins the republican ticket, all of Obama's advantage with the black voters is gone.
His name is not a bigger detriment than Clinton's history and husband, not to mention the fact that Obama has so much more charisma...enough to provoke JFK allegories from...JFK's daughter.
Condi wouldn't change anything. Blacks vote democrat in force anyway so that really won't budge anything - especially since she would be behind a white man.
 
Old 01-29-2008   #40 (permalink)
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For the sake of the D-party...they are no choice but to mend this rift and move forward for the good of the people who will vote in this important election year.
"United We Stand...Divided We Fall"
"If You Don't Stand for Something...You'll Fall for Anything!"
 
Old 01-29-2008   #41 (permalink)
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I'd say the name Clinton irks ALL republicans more......he wasn't going to get nor does he need the Evangelical vote to win anyway.........and from what I've read, Condi is not exactly highly regarded in the Black Community.,I've read they see her as the water carrier for GW and Cheney and supressed her OWN views on the war and other foreign policy issues.
dcd
 
Old 01-29-2008   #42 (permalink)
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What about her reputation within the Black community......I'm a political junkie and read every blog, read all the pundits etc. and from what I;ve read, Condi is not well regarded in the Black community...any truth here?......and i think we should all be proud.....this is the first Political thread I've seen here that was intelligent and civil......Give ourselves a round of applause
 
Old 01-29-2008   #43 (permalink)
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dcd?
 
Old 01-29-2008   #44 (permalink)
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dcd?
huh?
 
Old 01-29-2008   #45 (permalink)
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I just think that there is a lot that will be thrown at Barrack in the general and the way he has handled what the Clintons have thrown at him does not inspire confidence in me. This is just my opnion and time may prove me wrong.
 

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