10-01-2007
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#31 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by NineInchCock_160IQ Am I agnostic?
I doubt it. | Haha! Brilliant!
I'm a devout atheist. It's like being agnostic, but more people hate you, and you're expected to be a total jerk about it (even though I'm not). | | | |
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10-01-2007
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#32 (permalink)
| | | I believe religion is a man-made device used to control people and justify wars... I consider myself spiritual and I believe there is a universal higher power. Call it God, or Buddha, or Allah, or a collective conscience. I think it's all the same.
OMG, I could go on and on, but I will spare all of you...
So, yeah. I guess that makes me agnostic. | | | |
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10-01-2007
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#33 (permalink)
| | | One can definitely be spiritual without believing in a god in the literal sense. | | | |
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10-01-2007
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Originally Posted by Guy-jin One can definitely be spiritual without believing in a god in the literal sense. |
agreed. | | | |
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10-01-2007
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Originally Posted by Guy-jin Haha! Brilliant!
I'm a devout atheist. It's like being agnostic, but more people hate you, and you're expected to be a total jerk about it (even though I'm not). | Then you would love my patron saint of Atheism, Richard Dawkins. | | | |
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10-01-2007
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Originally Posted by JustAsking | Indeed, he's who I was referring to. Pretty much constantly makes all Atheists look like total jerks every time he opens his mouth. As if we didn't have the deck stacked against us with the whole going-to-hell thing. | | | |
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10-01-2007
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Originally Posted by Guy-jin Indeed, he's who I was referring to. Pretty much constantly makes all Atheists look like total jerks every time he opens his mouth. As if we didn't have the deck stacked against us with the whole going-to-hell thing. | Ya think so? He is one of my heroes when it comes to Evolutionary Biology. What do you think makes him obnoxious? His aggressive anti-religious stance, or do you think his logic is bogus?
I think Christopher Hitchens is much more obnoxious, actually. Equally militant, but not so well spoken as Dawkins. | | | |
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10-02-2007
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Originally Posted by JustAsking Ya think so? He is one of my heroes when it comes to Evolutionary Biology. What do you think makes him obnoxious? His aggressive anti-religious stance, or do you think his logic is bogus?
I think Christopher Hitchens is much more obnoxious, actually. Equally militant, but not so well spoken as Dawkins. | I love Dawkins. Way back in high school I read "The Blind Watchmaker" and I was hooked. He is one of the most well-written, easily understood, educated scientists of the 20th century. However, I think he dilutes his message and makes his work less accessible with how outspoken and militant he is about atheism. Though I understand the main point he's trying to get across (that there absolutely doesn't have to be a Creator to have biology), I've seen his books turn off a lot of people that I think would have been more open to his ideas had he made his point without getting overboard with the theology part. The message "there doesn't need to be a God for this to occur" is a lot different from, "There is no God." I think Dawkins takes the leap to the latter a little too often. Unfortunately, in the US it seems like Creationism has gotten a strong voice because people like Dawkins aren't sticking with the science and are instead getting mired in the God debate. | | | |
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10-02-2007
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#39 (permalink)
| | | I'm Agnostic though there are days where I lean more to true Atheism. I've never seen any convincing evidence (to me anyway) that their was some (or even several) over-arching Uber Intelligent/Omnipotent Being(s) guiding the destiny of the universe and everything in it. | | | |
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10-02-2007
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Originally Posted by JustAsking Did you hear about the dyslexic agnostic? He isn't sure if there is a dog. | JA, I am highly offended that a learned man such as yourself would make such an insensitive attempt at humor. I will have you know that I am dyslexic. I'm kidding of course, I wasn't at all offended. | | | |
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10-02-2007
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#41 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by JustAsking Ya think so? He is one of my heroes when it comes to Evolutionary Biology. What do you think makes him obnoxious? His aggressive anti-religious stance, or do you think his logic is bogus?
I think Christopher Hitchens is much more obnoxious, actually. Equally militant, but not so well spoken as Dawkins. | I am so sorry! I meant Christopher Hitchens, not Robert Dawkins. One would think a student of genetics wouldn't make such a mistake. That's embarassing, but thanks for the correction.
Anyway, I haven't read a full book of his beside The Selfish Gene, so I'm certainly no expert on the content of his books on Atheism. It's been about six years since I read it, so I claim temporary Alzheimer's in regards to the mix-up in staunchly Atheist authors. ;)
Not sure if you've read it, but as for that book, I at least partially agree with him, but not completely. I do not see genes themselves as the ultimate, physical unit of evolution, but instead it seems to me that it is the biochemical framework surrounding the genes in addition to the genes themselves that account for evolution, and that evolution actually acts more rapidly as a result of differences in the levels at which genes are expressed as opposed to through novel mutations in the genome. I think this is fairly well established because we end up having almost all of the same genes as a mouse, and yet end up being significantly different from them even though the majority of our effective genome is the same sequence as theirs.
Anyway, sorry for going off-topic.
I certainly haven't read Hitchens' works. He seems quite inflammatory for the sake of selling books as opposed to the sake of making a point, and I'm not particularly interested in why I shouldn't believe in a god when I already don't, or hearing about how Theists are lapdogs to their churches or whatever else is being said in them, based on what I've see him say in articles or on TV. | | | |
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10-02-2007
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| | | I believe in Existentialism, nothing exist before or after us. | | | |
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10-02-2007
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| | | What I find amusing about western religions is man’s vanity to assume their god (gods) resembles man. What I find sad is attaching one’s self to a belief solely because the though of life after death, or the lack of it, is unacceptable. What I find abhorrent about religion is the number of people killed in the name of it. However, rather like the Internet, I doubt the creators of the various mythologies intended for fanatics etc,. to put their own spin on things, they just wanted to create a code of conduct for us all to live by within our own environments; what we would call “Christian values”. Unfortunately, we’re not born with “Christian values”, we have to learn them and to make sure we’re practising them we’re told we’re being watched by god who will take such terrible retribution if we don’t comply. Yet when the innocent perish in disasters such as bomb blasts, tsunamis and earthquakes etc., we’re told, “Ah, that’s the will of good”, or “the lord moves in mysterious ways.” Ho fucking ho. Am I an agnostic? You tell me. | | | |
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10-02-2007
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Originally Posted by earllogjam I'm not particularly religious here but just curious- what evidence needs to manifest for you being an agnostic to believe that there is a God?
If you can't answer that I'd say you are an atheist. | I am an agnostic because I do not have a belief concerning the existence or non-existence of God. If God were to reveal himself, I'd be perfectly fine with it, but it wouldn't affect the way I live my life. | | | |
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10-02-2007
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| | | Atheist here, but since I want to be at least slightly open minded I tell people that I am an atheisticly(sp) leaning agnostic.
I received my values from my parents, New England stock, they didn't bring us up in any religion or with any religious beliefs, thankfully. | | | |
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