Bush supporters who are gay?

And I, in turn, was just thinking out loud that there might be a reason for low support. (But we already know that.)

Are you trying to scare away my business???

I don't normally express my political views here, but right now I'm feeling fairly safe in doing so. (I hate to argue and I don't like it when people give me a hard time over my views, so I usually just keep quiet about it).

I come from an entire family of Religious Right Republicans (although my parents are more moderate and often even vote Democrat these days). Some members of my extended family even supported candidates like David Duke!

And, I am a very leftist Democrat (Kucinich supporter here!), with some Green Party leanings as well. I don't see all that much difference between Kucinich and the Green Party candidates, so I like that.

Anyway, my views are VERY different from those of most of my relatives - that's basically what I'm saying here.

I'm Canadian eh? but still the dude is a douche.

No, I'm just trying to ensure that your walk-ins are all, erm, welcome.
Silly me.
They all are.

George Bush may not be numbered amongst the United States' greatest Presidents but he is better than his lying, perjuring predecessor and - the only really important point here - better than either of the opponents whom he defeated. The choice was never between Bush and some heraclean model of intellect and principle - the alternatives realistically on offer were Gore and Kerry, either of whom would have beggared the nation's economy and subordinated its interests to those of the so-called "United Nations"


I am continually astonished that so many gay men are prepared to allow their sexual preferences to rule their attitude to politics and politicians. The tail is surely wagging the dog. There is more to a President than his views on gay marriage: we are talking about the most powerful office on earth. Would be okay to have an out and out socialist President provided that he endorsed gay rights? It's okay, is it, that your partner loses his job, and your taxes rise to the point where you can't afford to keep that nice home you bought together, provided that you can get a piece of paper from the government that says you are "married"? Fine, then: Obama for President!

I used to point out to my gay friends who hated Margaret Thatcher as much as I supported her, that a penny off the rate of income tax did more to increase the personal freedom of an employed gay man, than a year off the unequal legal age of consent which had not in fact been enforced for twenty years. The way the government impinges on our lives most seriously is by taking our money and spending it. A liberal government is a government that grabs less of our cash.

Most important of all: Bush was right to go to war in Iraq and the successful prosecution of the war is vital to the defence of western liberal society, particularly the rights of gays and women, against Islamic fascism. The Islamists are watching to see if we flinch in Iraq and if we do, I fear for our future. I am grateful to every US soldier fighting that war and all those who are supporting them.

I was going to try to be witty, but how do you follow that ^^^^^^ act?

To be perfectly honest deepwader, if you judge an administration based on their record of lies and perjury, the Bush administration is well on the way to holding the world record!

I agree with you 100% about being a single-issue voter. It's not productive.

However, you can't sit there and tell me that Iraq was justified. There are reports that Iraq was 2nd on the list of about 9 countries that the Bush administration intended to overthrow. There were no WMDs. Iraq was not a terrorist safehold until WE DESTABILIZED the country. Iran and North Korea weren't nearly as problematic for us before Bush declared them part of his axis of evil. Those are just his foreign policy failures.

Bush was wrong to go into Iraq. It was all based on lies. How hard do you think the Bush admin. looked for WMD's?

I am grateful to every soldier there too, and support them.

An opinion is like an asshole, eyerone has one.

You are entitled to yours.

You are in bondage to the Dollar bill.

I hate to say it but I believe Bush will not only be viewed as a terrible President while in office, but also by history.

Currently American voters are frustrated by our lack of success in many areas. Most pronoucedly in the rise in cost of basic goods and the failure of the military to successfully prosecute the war in Iraq.

From a historical prospective, W will be viewed as a castestropic failure. He had complete support from the American public to go to war in Iraq. He could have poured all the will and might of the country into the battle and successfully installed a puppet govenment in a very short period of time. Instead his administration vastly under estimated the challenges involved. And by the time they realized their mistakes, the public support was gone. Most shocking is that the Reps had to take a major defeat in the mid-term elections, before W would admit he had a problem. The problems were there very early and W's gov't instead read their own press.

He had an opportunity for greatness, and blew it. I honestly believe that he listened to George Sr and now he is paying the price for it.

The man had some good intentions. $15 billion for treatment of AIDS in Africa for example. Refunds to all tax payers from the federal treasury. However he created an inner circle that sank further and further into group-think and arrogance.

The mistakes domestically are essentially the same, and caused by the same administrative problems. Out of touch and believing they could do anything because they "had been so popular" following 911.

I certainly agree that W is proof that you do not have to be the best candidate to get elected President of the USA, you just have to be the best choice of the two major parties. Bozo, and Bart Simpson could have beaten Gore and Kerry. And really he didn't even beat Gore, so there you go.

Actually, MEM0101, bondage is not my thing.

I am not a student of US political history but I think you will find that almost every President since FDR has plumbed new depth in the approval ratings (the exception of which I am aware being Ford -- not surprising given his short tenure and his predecessor's travails) And presidents' ratings INVARIABLY fare worse in second terms.

The latter fact is true, the first is not.

I didn't know we were so well acquainted, forties, as to speak with authority on my tastes in bondage. A few $$ might change my mind :-)

Bondage, James Bondage. Pleased to meat you.