can guys be raped by women?

ganja4me · 07-13-2007

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Originally Posted by warmhorizon

... Oh my God, how ignorant can people be?!
An erection is an oft-uncontrollable influx of blood into the pudendal artery brought about by sub-conscious primal arousal. Never got an erection in school or at work? What you're saying is that if you were at work and got a random bone-on then anyone would be perfectly within their rights to hold you down and ride you like a rocking horse because having an erection means you're "giving your consent"? Sorry, but somehow that doesn't quite sit right with me!

If I had sombody trying to rape me I would not be aroused. When something shocking and horrible is happening to you is it normal to be aroused by that? That is a pretty ignorant statement you made yourself. Having an erection doesn't mean anyone can come ride you. But if somebody did and you sustained an erection I think it is pretty clear it didn't bother you too much. How could you possibly have an erection when something that bad and traumitising is happening to you. Thats like saying if a woman gets raped she can get wet but it doesn't mean she liked it.

ganja4me · 07-13-2007

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Originally Posted by dolfette

it's pretty common for women to get wet during a rape.

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Originally Posted by dolfette

stimulate the body and it usually responds.

i s'pose some morons would say that = consent too.

It's pretty common for women not to get wet from what I have heard. That's why it hurts them so much. The brain is what controls the body so I think if what is going on is really that bad your brain is not going to be sending signals to get ready for sex. More than likely your brain is going to focus on pumping you with adrenaline in hopes of fighting the person off or running away. I have been turned off by someone and when they tried to stimulate me nothing happened. That is not nearly as bad as being raped either. If stress can cause you not to get it up then how come being raped won't do the same even though it is a lot more horrible than stress. It doesn't make you a moron to think logically. I'm not saying it is impossible but something about it doesn't seem right. I'm sure there are a lot of intelligent people out there that would agree with me.

big dirigible · 07-13-2007

It happens but is sometimes hidden behind euphemisms. A newspaper headline about a male suspect held by police being "sodomized" with a police baton means he was raped while in custody, and if the perpetrators happened to be policewomen, there you go.

ganja4me · 07-13-2007

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Originally Posted by dolfette

yeah, and if he was wearing tight pants he was asking for it

That would have nothing to do with it at all. Not sure how that relates to what I said to begin with.

warmhorizon · 07-13-2007

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Originally Posted by ganja4me

If I had sombody trying to rape me I would not be aroused. When something shocking and horrible is happening to you is it normal to be aroused by that? That is a pretty ignorant statement you made yourself. Having an erection doesn't mean anyone can come ride you. But if somebody did and you sustained an erection I think it is pretty clear it didn't bother you too much. How could you possibly have an erection when something that bad and traumitising is happening to you. Thats like saying if a woman gets raped she can get wet but it doesn't mean she liked it.

It's not that simple. Like I said, an erection is a sub-conscious primal reaction, like how you can't just get a hard-on just by thinking "become hard". The body reacts to the fact that it's having sex whether you want it to or not. I can't blame you for thinking that because I used to think exactly the same thing.
Note "used to".
It took me a long time to get over it and it left me pretty fucked up because everybody I tried to tell said almost exactly the same thing as you are now so you'll excuse me if I'm not singing along to the sound of music now I'm hearing about how it was my fault and that I could've just "stopped being hard" for the five hundredth time!
I didn't mean to insult you, it's just a kind of iffy subject for me. Sorry.

dolfette · 07-13-2007

i've spoken to female rape victime, filled with shame because their bodies responded, sometimes orgasmed, during horrific & violent rapes.

i suppose that = consent too?

if stimulated the right way, most men will get hard.
if he says no and she still does it then it's rape.

dolfette · 07-13-2007

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Originally Posted by ganja4me

It's pretty common for women not to get wet from what I have heard. That's why it hurts them so much. The brain is what controls the body so I think if what is going on is really that bad your brain is not going to be sending signals to get ready for sex. More than likely your brain is going to focus on pumping you with adrenaline in hopes of fighting the person off or running away. I have been turned off by someone and when they tried to stimulate me nothing happened. That is not nearly as bad as being raped either. If stress can cause you not to get it up then how come being raped won't do the same even though it is a lot more horrible than stress.

drawn from your HUGE experiences of being a female rape victim?

or from the VAST number of rape victims who've confided in you?

or...just talking out of your arse?

dolfette · 07-13-2007

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Originally Posted by warmhorizon

It took me a long time to get over it and it left me pretty fucked up because everybody I tried to tell said almost exactly the same thing as you are now so you'll excuse me if I'm not singing along to the sound of music now I'm hearing about how it was my fault and that I could've just "stopped being hard" for the five hundredth time!
I didn't mean to insult you, it's just a kind of iffy subject for me. Sorry.

it's more common than people imagine.

and i know, from the people i've talked to, that it can be just as traumatic for a man as for a woman.

*sigh*
nobody should be forced to justify their experience this way.

ganja4me · 07-13-2007

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Originally Posted by dolfette

drawn from your HUGE experiences of being a female rape victim?

or from the VAST number of rape victims who've confided in you?

or...just talking out of your arse?

I'm am talking about interviews with rape victims I have watched. It doesn't matter if I talked to them in person or not. The fact is that is what I have heard. Also, even if I am wrong about this it still seems as though what I am saying should be what happens. Maybe it is only like that for some people who knows. I know from my experience if something is a turn off it doesn't turn you on.

mercurialbliss · 07-13-2007

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Originally Posted by ganja4me

It's pretty common for women not to get wet from what I have heard. That's why it hurts them so much. The brain is what controls the body so I think if what is going on is really that bad your brain is not going to be sending signals to get ready for sex. More than likely your brain is going to focus on pumping you with adrenaline in hopes of fighting the person off or running away. I have been turned off by someone and when they tried to stimulate me nothing happened. That is not nearly as bad as being raped either. If stress can cause you not to get it up then how come being raped won't do the same even though it is a lot more horrible than stress. It doesn't make you a moron to think logically. I'm not saying it is impossible but something about it doesn't seem right. I'm sure there are a lot of intelligent people out there that would agree with me.

It goes without saying that one individual may react differently than another during moments of extreme physical/emotional/psychological distress. The victim's physical reaction to being violated has no bearing on whether or not the act is rape.

warmhorizon · 07-13-2007

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Originally Posted by ganja4me

Also, even if I am wrong about this it still seems as though what I am saying should be what happens.

Ok everyone, let's just take a moment here to celebrate the momentus occasion where Paris hilton has finally been dethroned as the queen of up-yourself comments. All worship king ganja4me!

dolfette · 07-13-2007

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Originally Posted by ganja4me

I'm am talking about interviews with rape victims I have watched. It doesn't matter if I talked to them in person or not. The fact is that is what I have heard. Also, even if I am wrong about this it still seems as though what I am saying should be what happens. Maybe it is only like that for some people who knows. I know from my experience if something is a turn off it doesn't turn you on.

of course it matters!

women and men who are so ashamed of how their bodies reacted, who are certain that the morons won't believe it was rape because of this, keep their rape as a dirty secret.

really, if the best you can do is "well i saw a few interviews" then you know fuck all about rape.

but you still post here, belittling the real pain suffered by victims, just because their bodies did what nature programmed them to.
nice one!

dolfette · 07-13-2007

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Originally Posted by warmhorizon

Ok everyone, let's just take a moment here to celebrate the momentus occasion where Paris hilton has finally been dethroned as the queen of up-yourself comments. All worship king ganja4me!

yes, when being violated and abused we SHOULD react how he says.

ganja4me · 07-13-2007

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Originally Posted by warmhorizon

Ok everyone, let's just take a moment here to celebrate the momentus occasion where Paris hilton has finally been dethroned as the queen of up-yourself comments. All worship king ganja4me!

What I am saying is my point seems logical. You don't think it is odd that your body would react like it wants the sex even though your brain doesn't want it.

warmhorizon · 07-13-2007

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Originally Posted by dolfette

yes, when being violated and abused we SHOULD react how he says.

I know, what was I thinking!

can guys be raped by women?

Originally Posted by warmhorizon ... Oh my God, how ignorant can people be?! An erection is an oft-uncontrollable influx of blood into the pudendal artery brought about by sub-conscious primal arousal. Never got an erection