Finally, someone gets it

Big Dirge, it's a good thing you're so pretty.

Why is it you so often reach into ancient history to make your points? While I am certainly impressed with your knowledge, you seem to fail to realise that we are in the age of television. We are in the age of a US president thinking he can tell the congress as well as the American people he was hired to represent to just go fuck off- what does that have to do with Adams? Nothing, really.

There's really nothing you can say to defend an adminsitration so garbled with liars, hypocrites, thieves, felons, perverts and extremists- you really don't want me to make a list of even the prosecuted offenders, let alone the ones not YET taken to task. In Ohio alone was have Taft (now a felon over the Noe scandal- misappropriation of funds) and Blackwell- both of the official overseers to the election. How much do you want to bet me personally that one or both of them will be charged at some point with election fraud? Yes, I believe that I have some "insider information" whether or not that makes me sound loony, but things are rotten in Denmark here. Of course, if they can just keep shoving the dates back in the Ohio Supreme Court, bush my not have to face the charges that the fucking election was RIGGED while he's still in office. The whole thing sucks.

Let me ask you a "what if". IF it was PROVEN that the election was rigged, would that change your opinion on everything else that has followed?

I appreciate your position, that occurred to me after the election. There are some occasions where perseverance eventually accomplishes a goal. People who give consideration to all aspects of something and not jump to judgement should be respected. I have nevertheless continued my peacenik activism, I am glad I don't have to personally decide. I don't think soldiers should be forced to remain or fight against their own judgement. It remains that Bush is extremely incompetent, and has failed at every venture, no way I can respect his judgement, or motives, and would never defer anything to him to decide if I had any choice. He has gotten us and the Iraki people into probably a no-win situation through lies and underhanded manipulation. I don't think he deserves another chance to screw up other people's lives, wish we had a parlaimentary system, we would be rid of him and Nancy Pelosi would be Prime Minister.

Liberal means free, that is, free to think for yourself.

I was just talking to our long-lost Texassgirl tonight, and we pretty much decided that we really couldn't have expected anything different from bush. He failed at every business venture he tried before he took office (and I do mean "took"), so why did anyone ever expect him to be brilliant at the hardest job in the country? We got exactly what we deserved, because we refused to look at the mountains of evidence. Here's hoping we learned something, at the price of so much blood.

I have never considered him legitimitaly in office, just pretending. I am disappointed that the people have gone along with this pretence.

I quite agree with you Kalipygian! As an educated American who votes I have always had a problem with 'that man.' Normally I can find the good in anybody but I stopped trying with him years ago.

Zora please consider this,

The 1991 agreement with Saddam included open door inspections by UN inspectors to make sure he was not making WMD's. The inspectors were kicked oout and not allowed to perform the inspections first in 1995 and then again in 1998. The agreement made in 1991 was breached and our then President Clinton had the responsibility to rectify the situation. Instead he was more concerned with how to best abuse his intern humidor.

Somewhere in the area of 1999 top 2000, Saddam test fired a missle that flew 120 miles. In the 1991 agreement the Iraqis were allowed to produce and keep missles that had a range of 80 miles for their self protection. This is another breach if the 1991 agreement.

Somewhere around 2002 to 2003 the media uncovered a situation where 250 tons of high explosives that were produced by the Iraqis under Saddam were missing. First, would you consider 250 tons of HE WMD's? I would. The democrats made a stink that these munitions were not properly secured and accounted for. So from one side of their mouths they are saying no WMD's and from the other they are asking what happened to the WMD's. Which is it?

Have youn re3ad any of the reports from our soldiers who have boots on the ground in Iraq? The majority seem to say that we did the right thing by going there and we are still improving the lives for the majority of Iraqis.

Iraq is a country of 27 million people and the insurgents number about 6000. Seems kind of odd when you look at these numbers and then watch the news.

Sorry about the dates, but you get the idea and I could provide more accurate times if required. these are just a few of the facts that get swept under the carpet when you listen to the democrats. Two last thoughts:

1. When the President landed on the aircraft carrier and declared the war to be over, his popularity was high and the democrats accused him of politicizing the war. In the 2006 elections the President's popularity is at an all time low and the democrats take control of the House and Senate and the main issue... not the health economy... not the low unemployment rates... but the war in Iraq. look back at almost all of the campaign speeches by the dems and yuo will discover the true meaning of politiicizing the war.

2. Today I read an article in Newsweek that had letters from fallen soldiers to their families. I am a 6 foot 270 lbs builtlike an old linebacker kind of a guy and I cried like a baby. These were our guys and they will not be coming home again. If there was ever a time when I would say, "Hey, what are we doing getting these good guys killed, for what? We need to bring them hone NOW". I would say that if I hadn't read the letters. Almost to a man they described how proud they were to serve our country, to participate in helping people who were in a situation be given better lives and to have been part of their respective services. They understand why and they "get it". So why don't we all "get it" and instead of undermining them and their mission by bickering and politicizing and give our president and our military the support they need to get the job done.

Thanks for letting me express my view and I look forward to any comments.

Why were LBJ or Nixon not impeached on the issue of Vietnam?


By the way, don't make any assumptions about my political stance based on this one question. It happens every damn time I say anything on an internet forum.

Sadly, no one is free of wrongdoing here. While a few key people like Bob Taft should eventually be revealed as the planners behind the fraud, if was with many deomcrat votes and lobbying dollars that the machines were put in place to begin with.

I heard a lot more about the Ohio Supreme Court case when I lived in Columbus, but I knew from day one because an exasperated poll worker was complaining to her fellow worker on election day that the whole day was behind schedule because they had several of the machines that were registering votes for bush fresh out of the box, before anyone had voted. She said they had to call a technician to "reset" them, but the only people who could work on the machines were Diebold techs. She seemed clearly disgusted by this fact, and I had no reason to think she was lying, since she was originally not talking to me, but was more than happy to answer my questions about it once asked. She said some of the machines had as many as 30,000 voted already registered.

Anyway, here's a pretty current update on the findings, it ain't pretty for anyone. What IS clear is that Taft is already a felon on the Noe scandal, and this one's not looking good for him or Blackwell.

Scoop: The Road To Boondoggle Paved With Good Intentions

Oh and one last thing, Chuck Hagel is an asshole and is clearly spewing what he thinks people want to hear. These kind of people usually don't get reelected... unless they are democrats. Oops did I just say that outloud? hehe

Wecome to the site.

We have very opposing views, but I'm sure yours represent some of our members here.

You'll hear no protest from me that Hagel is a grandstanding asshole. Nonetheless, he is saying something that an awful lot of folks on the street are thinking. As a matter of fact, it's come up in the UN. Can't pin this whole thing on Hagel, he's just the most recent voice.

Here is a website that will give better descriptions and times for what I was trying to point out:

Iraq Timeline

We took Saddam to task for breaking the agreements from the first gulf war, regardless of WMD's. I hope we can agree that the world is a better place without him (Saddam) in it. We did the right thing, unfortunately it was ten years too late. Do a little "what if" analysis and try to understand that if President Clinton had acted appropriately and timely, we would probably not be involved in this war today.

To all of you who made comments about the legitimacy of President Bush, get over it and move on. Good lord, how many times can you kick that dead horse? This is a typical democrat ploy to distract attention from the issues, bring up something old and worn out to rechew and not get anything done that counts.

Here's one more idea to mull, if you have never been to the Lincoln Presidential Museum and Library in Springfield IL, go there. Go into the museum and into the White House exhibit and see the caractures on the walls. People made fun of President Lincoln in much the same way the pundits do to President Bush today. Now here is the part that will take some thinking to get your mind around - there are many, many comparisions and similarities between Presidents Lincoln and Bush. To start they were.are both war presidents. Both were at a time very unpopular with the public. They both had clear visions on what they thought needed to be done and understood what it takes to finish the job. It will be interesting to see what history will say about the current war president considering what history says about the historical war president. Just for thought.

One more question, what makes any of the people who are deriding the President think that others, like Hagel, Pelosi, Murtha and other talking heads know more about what is happening in the war zones? Why would you believe that Sen. Clinton has so much a better understanding of the war that she can say that she will pull all the troops out by 2008-2009? What did we miss? Or did we miss nothing and decided to believe the loudest mouths because it seemed to be tihe popular thing to do?

I retract that welcome.

He's not the king.... but he IS The Decider.

It's interesting that the Democratic senator from Nebraska (I forget his name) lines up with bush, so they cancel each other.

I'm no friend of the man taking orders from his "advisors" in the WH, but I feel that BFCNS brings a studied and intelligent approach from his position.